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'Not knowing when the Dawn will come, I open every Door,' Trump No. 95

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lionheart · 18/09/2018 16:53

From Emily Dickinson. Smile

Old thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3356297-Freedom-of-the-press-is-not-just-important-to-democracy-it-is-democracy-Trump-no-94

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ohmymimi · 21/09/2018 20:46

Yeh, it is only spilling into view because someone wants it to and thinks it serves their purposes now. NYT, as ever, is a willing conduit. Huge consequences is right. This isn't some mummery for the entertainment of the masses, to boost circulation.

Matt Zapotosky
@mattzap
Confirming ⁦⁦
@adamgoldmanNYT
⁩ scoop: McCabe memos say Rosenstein considered secretly recording Trump. Rosenstein disputes his account. Bad blood btw two current/former law enforcement officials spilling into view w/ potentially huge consequences

Gumpendorf · 21/09/2018 20:50

The NYT that did so much to focus on HRC's e-mails and ignore Trump's Russian connections. It stinks mimi. You are so right.

https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1043223803487301632
Remember, the sourcing on this story was: "people [who] were briefed either on the events themselves or on memos written by F.B.I. officials."

That is, people (like Jordan) who don't have the memos. https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1043220851758391297

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Gumpendorf · 21/09/2018 20:54

Andy Mc McCabe spokesperson

twitter.com/MSchwartz3/status/1043218739158757377

Let me be 100% clear: no one associated with Andrew McCabe or his team shared, read, described, whispered or blinked in Morse Code any part of his memos with any reporter. twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/1043204258127114240

Dangerous game Andy McCabe is playing right now.

ohmymimi · 21/09/2018 20:59

David Simon
@AoDespair
"Huge scoop." And the statuette for best all-time use of a false narrative and unnamed sources by a national reporter to advance an administration's agenda passes from Judith Miller to Adam Goldman. The NYT keeps the crown. (link: twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1043196553823965190) twitter.com/maggieNYT/stat…

Maggie Haberman
@maggieNYT
If you want to question a story without your own information, but based on your emotions, and slander a tremendous current NYT reporter in the process, that’s your right.

David Simon
@AoDespair
Argumentum ad hominem cuts both ways. Here in Baltimore, I've watched Mr. Rosenstein conduct himself for years & the reckless buffoon on exhibit in this sourced story leaves me skeptical. As does the NYT's WashBureau history of ceding the first news cycle to "what people tell us." (link: twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1043212176192950272) twitter.com/maggieNYT/stat…

Maggie Haberman
@maggieNYT
Sorry you feel that way about the latter.

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Gumpendorf · 21/09/2018 21:02

PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine says she's "appalled" by President Donald Trump's tweet criticizing his Supreme Court nominee's accuser.

https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1043189159563747328

If only she had some influence .. a vote or something Confused

Gumpendorf · 21/09/2018 21:10

Thanks for the Rebecca Solnit article, mimi. Such a good writer.

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ohmymimi · 21/09/2018 21:17

How long ago did Stinkhorn tweet this? Nunes, Meadows and Jordan's plan stymied. No shit, Sherlock, two and two really do make four.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I met with the DOJ concerning the declassification of various UNREDACTED documents. They agreed to release them but stated that so doing may have a perceived negative impact on the Russia probe. Also, key Allies’ called to ask not to release. Therefore, the Inspector General.....
....has been asked to review these documents on an expedited basis. I believe he will move quickly on this (and hopefully other things which he is looking at). In the end I can always declassify if it proves necessary. Speed is very important to me - and everyone!
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Gumpendorf · 21/09/2018 21:23

3/ Screw your courage to the sticking place and prepare yourself for the most infamous criminal in US political history doing a series of things that would shock the conscience of most villains to try to save himself—at the cost of our democracy. Don't wring your hands, STAND UP.

twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1043233627419668485

ohmymimi · 21/09/2018 21:29

In Susie world words speak louder than actions, Gump. She can find cover under the tiniest figleaf.

Gumpendorf · 21/09/2018 21:40

Whoever leaked the Rosenstein story seems to have effectively turned the narrative away from Kavanaugh, Manafort & Cohen for the moment.

https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/status/1043236461242449921

She's not alone, mimi. Jeff Flake is so well named.

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ohmymimi · 21/09/2018 21:43

Gump, did you see this last year? It is a powerful piece.
lithub.com/rebecca-solnit-the-loneliness-of-donald-trump/

ohmymimi · 21/09/2018 21:55

PS, Gump, lion gets the credit for linking to the latest Solnit 'Guardian' pieceSmile

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lionheart · 21/09/2018 21:59

That's a terrible and wonderful piece ohmy.

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lionheart · 21/09/2018 22:03

www.mprnews.org/story/2018/09/21/minnesota-state-rep-jim-knoblach-drops-reelection-bid-citing-forthcoming-mpr-news-investi

'Republican state Rep. Jim Knoblach of St. Cloud abruptly ended his re-election campaign Friday as MPR News prepared to publish detailed accusations from his adult daughter of what she described as his inappropriate behavior toward her since childhood.'

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Gumpendorf · 21/09/2018 22:17

Sorry lion BlushThanks

Gumpendorf · 21/09/2018 22:21

mimi. Thank you so much! I remember Solnit piece from last year. It was so powerful, and I've looked for it since but, for some reason, I've not been able to find it. I have stored a link in my notes folder now. Thanks

Roussette · 21/09/2018 22:22

mimi that is indeed a powerful piece, well put and so worth reading.

ohmymimi · 21/09/2018 22:23

'PR firm helped Whelan stoke half-baked Kavanaugh alibi.
CRC Public Relations, a powerhouse conservative firm, guided Ed Whelan on a bad Twitter adventure.'
www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/09/21/ed-whelan-kavanaugh-tweets-pr-firm-836405?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 21/09/2018 22:33

Yep:
Leah McElrath
@leahmcelrath
.@politico and @VOANews doing a better job sourcing, fact-checking, and contextualizing than @nytimes did to begin with.
But the story is already out there and framed AS FACT and AS ACTUAL INTENT by the NYTimes and @Salon and countless other outlets. The damage is done.

The @washingtonpost once again surpasses the @nytimes in the quality of its sourcing and - as importantly - the objectivity of its framing and contextualization:
Josh Dawsey
@jdawsey1
Andrew McCabe was suggesting that DOJ investigate the president, per @mattzap & @DevlinBarrett reporting. “What do you want to do, Andy, wire the president?” Rosenstein responded. (link: www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mccabe-memos-say-rosenstein-considered-secretly-recording-trump/2018/09/21/f4aa9a62-bdca-11e8-8792-78719177250f_story.html?utm_term=.8f47536d48f4) washingtonpost.com/world/national…

www.politico.com/story/2018/09/21/rod-rosenstein-trump-recording-836359