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AIBU?

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My son was assaulted at school and I don't like how the school handled it. But AIBU?

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ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 16:40

My son is in year 7 so only a couple of weeks in.
Two things that could alter my reasonablility in what happened today
1- we're fresh out of Primary school, perhaps this is the norm for secondary school
2- I was horrifically bullied at school and beaten up regularly, I've no doubt this makes me extra jumpy with issues of bullying that may arise.

Today I get a phone call from pastoral at 1pm. They say my son has been punched in the face after he got into a 'fracas'. But they put ice on it and he's gone back to class.

That's it.

I ask is he ok? What happened? Who did it? How did the fight start? Is he ok to walk home? Will it happen again? How old was the kid?

They say they don't know. They just deal with first aid and to call his house.

I'm panicking because DS is a really gentle soul and quiet, least aggressive child I know and his kindness has always been pointed out by teachers at primary (again false sense of security?!).

So I'm calling the school for over an hour trying to get through to someone to find out wtf happened, and is my kid ok? I mean, aside from the ice on the cheek?!

Someone finally calls me back about 2.15pm, I ask what happened? They said they just spoke to my son and he got into a fight and the other child hit my son in the face, but they will get statements from everyone and find out what happened.
I asked if it would happen again? Is my son ok to walk home? Who is the other child?

They can't tell me who the kid is and they are going to investigate it.

I ask them if I can come and collect DS as I still don't know if he's ok (I wouldn't be if I'd just been punched!) and they said yes.

So I go down to the school, see DS waiting for me. I ask to speak to someone about what's happened.
In the mean time I talk to DS, I can see the bruises on his face (I've since taken photos) and ask him what happened.

DS was with a friend, child X called friend a pussy. My DS said "why are you calling him a pussy?"
Child X asks DS if he wants a fight? DS said no, Child X swings and DS. DS pushes him away, Child X falls down. He then gets up and punches DS 5 times in the face, a teacher pulls him off.

The friend DS is with has a black eye, earlier in the week Child X punched him and he's got massive bruising (DS says "worse than mine") and it looks terrible.

Half an hour passes and a woman saunters over. We go into a room, and she says "what do you want to know?"

I say I wanted to know what happened. DS has since told me, he also told me another child has been hurt. What happens next? Will the kid be punished? Will DS be ok to walk home safely in future?

She says "well first of all, your child got himself involved with this altercation. And I'll get statements from the adults who witnessed it to find out exactly what happened."

She's really rude and defensive with zero people skills. I'm feeling myself getting a panicky frustration and anger (I expect I was BU?!).

This conversation goes round in circles and I get absolutely no answers. I don't know how the child gets punished, I don't know how they stop it happening in future, I don't know if he's ok to walk home alone or if this kid is going to do it again.

All I know is they'll be getting statements.

I ask how the child will be punished? She said it depends what the statements say and what your son did.

She did admit that one of the teachers statements married up with what my son had said.

She was rude, abrupt and accusatory.
As I left I said she needed to work on her people skills. She said "I could say the same to you."

I walked out and just sat in the car and cried.
I'm a nurse if a child is hurt and a parent is irate, I do my best to calm them down and help them. That's my job.

Today my child was hurt, I wasn't reasurred in any way shape or form (on the contrary, the kid has form for assaulting children) and I've know idea if they contact me to discuss it further or what the fuck happens.

I'm just baffled. Is this normal for secondary?!
Is this how it is handled?

He was repeatedly punched ffs.

OP posts:
BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 19:04

labazs

No, not in year 7, maybe even not in year 8 for most pupils, and only most pupils in year 11.

They are children, with all the foibles and oddities that that entails.

BasicUsername · 14/09/2018 19:04

"I'm more inclined to believe the OPs child (from the info that we have) than the child who already assaulted another child earlier in the week.

we don't know what happened earlier in the week other than the OP'S DS's friend was in a fight with the other child."

Given that a teacher has made a statement to corroborate OPs child's story, I'd say it's a pretty decent indicator that the child is telling the truth.

Have you ever heard the phrase "reading between the lines"?

Willow2017 · 14/09/2018 19:05

scuffle????
Punched 5 times in the face is a scuffle?

cold do shut up you.are makung yourself sound more unhinged with every.post.
Everyone knows what rhe boy was going to do. If you are swinging at soneone you are going to punch them. If soneone did that to you are you inferring you would let them punch you? Dont be soft.
Pushing someone away who is attempting to assault you is not landing the first blow its called self defence as you well know.

There was no contact from the swing precisely because ops son pushed the boy away so he didnt punch him everyone would have done the same.
Its really rather awful that you would rather a child was assaulted than defend themselves.

I sincerely hope you.dont work in my kids school. What a twisted view of events.

BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 19:06

Firesuit

Oh if I try hard enough, I'm sure I can think of something. Remember, it doesn't matter to me whether I win or lose, all I care about is costing them as much time and money and hopefully worry as possible. I don't care how much it costs me. (Well, up to a point. I'm not going to put myself in a position where I have to pay their costs, that would defeat my purpose.)

Your purpose as far as I can tell is to be an arse.
and as soon as you sue you will be paying for their costs as its a frivolous case.

toxic44 · 14/09/2018 19:06

Your DS is lucky you have his back. I know a guy, biggest child in the class, very quiet, even timid, bullied and beaten up regularly at secondary school. His mother's response was, 'Oh dear, you've been fighting again! I do wish you wouldn't.' Even when he was hit on the head with a cricket bat she did nothing. YANBU. I'd be doing the duck dance if my child was punched like that.

BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 19:11

BasicUsername
Given that a teacher has made a statement to corroborate OPs child's story, I'd say it's a pretty decent indicator that the child is telling the truth.

In this case yes, the OP's has statements from others backing up his side of what happened no issues there. We don't know what happened in the previous fight other than hearsay.

Have you ever heard the phrase "reading between the lines"?

You might want to try
'you are making assumptions without all the facts, and that's not a sign of intelligence. '? CC hunter

or
'Assumptions are made and most assumptions are wrong.' Albert Eistein

Lemontart25 · 14/09/2018 19:11

WOW I am so sorry OP, 1 that this has happened at all & 2 for the utter ridiculous responses you have had for many.

My only explanation is that some if they are not just teachers on the defence, are teachers who have sadly lost all sense of 'normality' & are clearly desensitized to this kind of behaviour, like a pp has said they see this more time than they'd like to count meaning they have zero empathy. Our children obviously just become a number to most of them these days.

Failing that the rest are probably parents of bullies & feel their little 'misunderstood darlings' deserve yet more chances! Or my personal fave when people have no clue what that are talking about like coldrain is they probably are the odd breed of mumsnetters who aren't actually 'MUMS' so have no idea what they would do/feel & just think by hanging out on a parenting forum they have a had a fast track insight & are fully qualified to now spout their perceived knowledge on all things children Angry

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 19:11

I think the school needs to look into why this child is reacting so violently too.

OP I don’t expect you to have any empathy for him, I wouldn’t if it was my child who had been injured.

I just get very uncomfortable with the idea of writing a child off. His behaviour is not ok, but kids aren’t violent for no reason. There is something causing it, and finding out what and helping him would benefit everyone.

MaisyPops · 14/09/2018 19:12

Oh if I try hard enough, I'm sure I can think of something. Remember, it doesn't matter to me whether I win or lose, all I care about is costing them as much time and money and hopefully worry as possible. I don't care how much it costs me.
In other words you don't care that you'd have a substantial impact on children's education as long as you can make a point?!
One of the most fucking ridiculous things I've heard on mumsnet.

Thankfully, there's enough of us on here supporting the OP in speaking to the school and outlining ways forward rather than total drivel.

ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 19:13

Thank you to the previous poster who gave me the list of people to contact. Or rather the order of contact.

So I'm looking on the school website for his head of house (HOY) and I see that the person who dealt with us today is 'assistant headteacher' is that the same role as deputy head teacher?

OP posts:
GoatYoga · 14/09/2018 19:14

coldrain2018 - the fact that you appear to work in education makes your response quite chilling. It is no wonder children are bullied for years when that is the attitude of the people that are supposed to be protecting them. You disgust me.

BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 19:15

ButAIBUtho

is 'assistant headteacher' is that the same role as deputy head teacher?
Yes it is. There are some differences but that is to do with semantics and not the type of position.

tinytemper66 · 14/09/2018 19:15

Assistant head is more or less the same as deputy. I would email that person as you have already spoke to them.

ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 19:15

I've just seen that the deputy headteacher is someone entirely different.

I didn't speak to the deputy head but the assistant headteacher who I've also just seen is a behaviour and safety officer as well. Confused

OP posts:
Thatstheendofmytether · 14/09/2018 19:15

Sorry what is it you do for a living coldrain2018?

ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 19:16

I have absolutely no intention of emailing the person who 'dealt' with the situation today.
If anything I will be complaining about her if I can be arsed (I doubt it). Right now I just want to know my kid is safe when he is at school.

OP posts:
Bluecloudyskies · 14/09/2018 19:17

In fact I’m not surprised at all tbh the school behaved in this. Children get attacked daily and it’s routinely minimised.

Just look at the sexual attacks.

One child is raped in school in every school day

In primary schools alone, three sexual assaults are reported to the police every school day.

So a kid getting punched multiple times in the Face is going to be nothing to them Hmm

BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 19:18

ButAIBUtho

That is quite unusual. Generally if there is a deputy head there are no assistant heads.

Perfectly1mperfect · 14/09/2018 19:19

I just get very uncomfortable with the idea of writing a child off. His behaviour is not ok, but kids aren’t violent for no reason. There is something causing it, and finding out what and helping him would benefit everyone.

This child may need help or have problems at home etc and of course the school should help if this is the case. They do also need to protect kids like the OPs son though. In my experience the troublemakers don't always have any problems though, it's just some year 7 boys trying to look tough and trying to get to top of the pecking order. They are usually the immature ones.

tinytemper66 · 14/09/2018 19:19

We have a deputy and 5 assistant heads.

ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 19:20

There's three assistant headteachers on the list.
One deputy head teacher.

OP posts:
ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 19:20

So does it go

Headteacher
Deputy Headteacher
Assistant headteacher 1,2,3
Etc

OP posts:
MrMeSeeks · 14/09/2018 19:20

coldrain
Oh yes, ofcourse her son shold have let him hit him instead of pushing him away, yes he clearly started the fight!Hmm
Meanwhile, back in the real world..

I’d report the git to the police op.

tinytemper66 · 14/09/2018 19:21

Sorry OP. Didn't mean to add fuel to the fire.
You will get answers but it takes time. I hope your son has a good weekend and isn't suffering.

MrMeSeeks · 14/09/2018 19:22

coldrain2018 - the fact that you appear to work in education makes your response quite chilling. It is no wonder children are bullied for years when that is the attitude of the people that are supposed to be protecting them. You disgust me.
Agreed. Downright disgusting and victim blaming.
Terrified there’s people like this supposedly teaching kids