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AIBU?

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My son was assaulted at school and I don't like how the school handled it. But AIBU?

432 replies

ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 16:40

My son is in year 7 so only a couple of weeks in.
Two things that could alter my reasonablility in what happened today
1- we're fresh out of Primary school, perhaps this is the norm for secondary school
2- I was horrifically bullied at school and beaten up regularly, I've no doubt this makes me extra jumpy with issues of bullying that may arise.

Today I get a phone call from pastoral at 1pm. They say my son has been punched in the face after he got into a 'fracas'. But they put ice on it and he's gone back to class.

That's it.

I ask is he ok? What happened? Who did it? How did the fight start? Is he ok to walk home? Will it happen again? How old was the kid?

They say they don't know. They just deal with first aid and to call his house.

I'm panicking because DS is a really gentle soul and quiet, least aggressive child I know and his kindness has always been pointed out by teachers at primary (again false sense of security?!).

So I'm calling the school for over an hour trying to get through to someone to find out wtf happened, and is my kid ok? I mean, aside from the ice on the cheek?!

Someone finally calls me back about 2.15pm, I ask what happened? They said they just spoke to my son and he got into a fight and the other child hit my son in the face, but they will get statements from everyone and find out what happened.
I asked if it would happen again? Is my son ok to walk home? Who is the other child?

They can't tell me who the kid is and they are going to investigate it.

I ask them if I can come and collect DS as I still don't know if he's ok (I wouldn't be if I'd just been punched!) and they said yes.

So I go down to the school, see DS waiting for me. I ask to speak to someone about what's happened.
In the mean time I talk to DS, I can see the bruises on his face (I've since taken photos) and ask him what happened.

DS was with a friend, child X called friend a pussy. My DS said "why are you calling him a pussy?"
Child X asks DS if he wants a fight? DS said no, Child X swings and DS. DS pushes him away, Child X falls down. He then gets up and punches DS 5 times in the face, a teacher pulls him off.

The friend DS is with has a black eye, earlier in the week Child X punched him and he's got massive bruising (DS says "worse than mine") and it looks terrible.

Half an hour passes and a woman saunters over. We go into a room, and she says "what do you want to know?"

I say I wanted to know what happened. DS has since told me, he also told me another child has been hurt. What happens next? Will the kid be punished? Will DS be ok to walk home safely in future?

She says "well first of all, your child got himself involved with this altercation. And I'll get statements from the adults who witnessed it to find out exactly what happened."

She's really rude and defensive with zero people skills. I'm feeling myself getting a panicky frustration and anger (I expect I was BU?!).

This conversation goes round in circles and I get absolutely no answers. I don't know how the child gets punished, I don't know how they stop it happening in future, I don't know if he's ok to walk home alone or if this kid is going to do it again.

All I know is they'll be getting statements.

I ask how the child will be punished? She said it depends what the statements say and what your son did.

She did admit that one of the teachers statements married up with what my son had said.

She was rude, abrupt and accusatory.
As I left I said she needed to work on her people skills. She said "I could say the same to you."

I walked out and just sat in the car and cried.
I'm a nurse if a child is hurt and a parent is irate, I do my best to calm them down and help them. That's my job.

Today my child was hurt, I wasn't reasurred in any way shape or form (on the contrary, the kid has form for assaulting children) and I've know idea if they contact me to discuss it further or what the fuck happens.

I'm just baffled. Is this normal for secondary?!
Is this how it is handled?

He was repeatedly punched ffs.

OP posts:
Bluecloudyskies · 14/09/2018 18:50

YANBU op and I would have be very frustrated and annoyed

WilburIsSomePig · 14/09/2018 18:50

Wow. This would have been handled completely differently in my school.

No, you wouldn't have been given any information about the other child and statements would be taken, but that's where the similarity ends.

YANBU, OP.

Perfectly1mperfect · 14/09/2018 18:51

coldrain2018

OP said the other child went for her child first. He happened to miss. Should the OPs son have waited for this other boy to have another go ?

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 18:52

You can not equate an adult assaulting another adult with a child assaulting another child

No it’s not, children (and teachers going from some comments) are apparently just supposed to accept being assaulted.

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 18:52

However, I wasn’t equating the act of assault by an adult on another adult. I was equating a defensive response to a physical attack, which is a reflex action not an act of aggression.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 14/09/2018 18:53

Some shitty comments on here. How dare a mother be concerned and want answers immediately about her son bring used as a punch bag. Is it because he's in the big school. Little kid blinkers again is it.
If it were my child I'd damn well want to make sure she was safe walking home and what they were putting in place to ensure it doesn't happen again.

ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 18:54

No my son did not admit he started any fight. You are making things up.
As you are with the hitting.

My sons exact words in the meeting with the deputy head was "I pushed him away in self defence."

His exact words.

At what point in any of my posts did I say my son hit anyone? Or that my son "admitted starting the fight"?

Aside from coldrain who really does need to go back to school, I appreciate the support. I've calmed right down, I think I will email the headteacher (or someone else? They have a 'head of house' but I'm struggling to find out who it is and DS doesn't know) to find out what happens next.
I'm also intending to speak to the other boys Mum who was also hit to see what happened with those guys with regards to care and feedback.

OP posts:
ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 18:57

I'm definitely not attempting to sue the school.

OP posts:
BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 18:57

YeTalkShiteHen

Surprisingly its not about accepting being assaulted, its about a system that refuses to accept and deal with children that assault people, often until someone gets really seriously hurt.

Most schools bend over backwards to protect children but if you have seen the amount of evidence that has to be collected to get rid of these children (i await condemnation from the usual posters) you would be astounded.

Actually I am astounded that the usual response to these situations hasn't been put forward and its not boys will be boys

Tasha32 · 14/09/2018 18:57

@coldrain2018 what is your problem and why are you so negative??? She explained what happend and while you are allowed your opinion as this is a thread for discussion, there no need to be so obnoxious with it!!! If you have nothing nice to say or a least to put your point across in a nice way DON'T SAY NOTHING!! Sorry that's just my opinion

someonekillbabyshark · 14/09/2018 18:57

Ignore these bunch of do gooders I'd love to see how they actually react if there child got punched in the face, I'd of punched the woman in the face🤪

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 18:58

I don’t know how the structure works in English schools (I’m presuming England because of HOY and other terms I don’t recognise) but I’d go with the headteacher for first contact, then see what happens.

How is your son now?

Haireverywhere · 14/09/2018 18:58

YANBU for expecting someone to be professional and not rude as they explain the procedure etc.

YANBU for being upset at your child being punched in the face.

YAB understandably U as you are upset, for expecting answers to all of your questions at that stage.

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 18:59

BoneyBackJefferson aye I hear what you’re saying, and I know you’re right.

It’s just a crap system that doesn’t protect staff or pupils, and often the child who is violent is in need of serious support too. Everyone ends up being failed.

BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 18:59

ButAIBUtho

Form tutor
Head of house/year
Head teacher
Governors
County/LEA/Academy CEO

Any deviation from that route will see it kicked back down the tree.

MaisyPops · 14/09/2018 18:59

How dare a mother be concerned and want answers immediately about her son bring used as a punch bag.
She's completely right to be concerned.

She's unreasonable if she expected a thorough investigation completed within an hour and details being given.

Rufus85 · 14/09/2018 18:59

I really don’t think you are being unreasonable, they were extremely vague and certainly could have given you more info on his condition and that matters were being investigated. It’s not normal to be punched in the face at school and I appreciate even more worrying as he is so New there.

In an ideal world we all keep calm and polite but the schools behaviour wouldn’t really give me confidence and their attitude seems rather defensive and uncaring

numptynuts · 14/09/2018 18:59

Coldrain don't be a knob.

YANBU OP.

BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 19:00

someonekillbabyshark
Ignore these bunch of do gooders I'd love to see how they actually react if there child got punched in the face, I'd of punched the woman in the face

Comedy response or not, no one asked for stupid. (and I include cold in that as well)

LokiBear · 14/09/2018 19:01

YeTalkShiteHen - read my posts in support of the OP. No school would ever say that a pupil needs to accept that assaults happen. This school has not said that. There may be more to the incident than the op is aware of yet. Doesnt mean her ds should accept being assaulted, it means the school need to investigate.

BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 19:01

YeTalkShiteHen
It’s just a crap system that doesn’t protect staff or pupils, and often the child who is violent is in need of serious support too. Everyone ends up being failed.

Yup, 100%

labazs · 14/09/2018 19:02

to be honest its secondary school and they think that the children should be young adults and capable of taking responsibility

Firesuit · 14/09/2018 19:03

Second, What are you suing the school for?

Oh if I try hard enough, I'm sure I can think of something. Remember, it doesn't matter to me whether I win or lose, all I care about is costing them as much time and money and hopefully worry as possible. I don't care how much it costs me. (Well, up to a point. I'm not going to put myself in a position where I have to pay their costs, that would defeat my purpose.)

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 19:03

LokiBear I was responding to a comment you wrote, that’s all. Not sure why you’re so upset? It is a fact that serious assaults do not get treated the same way when they happen on school premises.

I’d also disagree that no school would say they need to accept it. No idea if OPs DSs school said it, but I’ve heard it said.

beachysandy81 · 14/09/2018 19:04

My son has just started Year 7 and this kind of thing in the worst case scenario. I would feel just like you. It sounds like your son was trying to stick up for a friend who had already been punched by this boy. No wonder he pushed him away when he looked like he was about to punch him, he had already seen him in action. The fact he then got up and viciously attacked your son proves he was justified to try and protect himself.

Honestly, if you don't get an adequate response from the school soon I would report it to the police. We do not send our kids to school to be beaten up. To give the woman a slight benefit of the doubt, it is a new year and they don't know the kids that well. She sounds absolutely awful though. Not sure why this wasn't dealt with immediately either.