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AIBU?

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My son was assaulted at school and I don't like how the school handled it. But AIBU?

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ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 16:40

My son is in year 7 so only a couple of weeks in.
Two things that could alter my reasonablility in what happened today
1- we're fresh out of Primary school, perhaps this is the norm for secondary school
2- I was horrifically bullied at school and beaten up regularly, I've no doubt this makes me extra jumpy with issues of bullying that may arise.

Today I get a phone call from pastoral at 1pm. They say my son has been punched in the face after he got into a 'fracas'. But they put ice on it and he's gone back to class.

That's it.

I ask is he ok? What happened? Who did it? How did the fight start? Is he ok to walk home? Will it happen again? How old was the kid?

They say they don't know. They just deal with first aid and to call his house.

I'm panicking because DS is a really gentle soul and quiet, least aggressive child I know and his kindness has always been pointed out by teachers at primary (again false sense of security?!).

So I'm calling the school for over an hour trying to get through to someone to find out wtf happened, and is my kid ok? I mean, aside from the ice on the cheek?!

Someone finally calls me back about 2.15pm, I ask what happened? They said they just spoke to my son and he got into a fight and the other child hit my son in the face, but they will get statements from everyone and find out what happened.
I asked if it would happen again? Is my son ok to walk home? Who is the other child?

They can't tell me who the kid is and they are going to investigate it.

I ask them if I can come and collect DS as I still don't know if he's ok (I wouldn't be if I'd just been punched!) and they said yes.

So I go down to the school, see DS waiting for me. I ask to speak to someone about what's happened.
In the mean time I talk to DS, I can see the bruises on his face (I've since taken photos) and ask him what happened.

DS was with a friend, child X called friend a pussy. My DS said "why are you calling him a pussy?"
Child X asks DS if he wants a fight? DS said no, Child X swings and DS. DS pushes him away, Child X falls down. He then gets up and punches DS 5 times in the face, a teacher pulls him off.

The friend DS is with has a black eye, earlier in the week Child X punched him and he's got massive bruising (DS says "worse than mine") and it looks terrible.

Half an hour passes and a woman saunters over. We go into a room, and she says "what do you want to know?"

I say I wanted to know what happened. DS has since told me, he also told me another child has been hurt. What happens next? Will the kid be punished? Will DS be ok to walk home safely in future?

She says "well first of all, your child got himself involved with this altercation. And I'll get statements from the adults who witnessed it to find out exactly what happened."

She's really rude and defensive with zero people skills. I'm feeling myself getting a panicky frustration and anger (I expect I was BU?!).

This conversation goes round in circles and I get absolutely no answers. I don't know how the child gets punished, I don't know how they stop it happening in future, I don't know if he's ok to walk home alone or if this kid is going to do it again.

All I know is they'll be getting statements.

I ask how the child will be punished? She said it depends what the statements say and what your son did.

She did admit that one of the teachers statements married up with what my son had said.

She was rude, abrupt and accusatory.
As I left I said she needed to work on her people skills. She said "I could say the same to you."

I walked out and just sat in the car and cried.
I'm a nurse if a child is hurt and a parent is irate, I do my best to calm them down and help them. That's my job.

Today my child was hurt, I wasn't reasurred in any way shape or form (on the contrary, the kid has form for assaulting children) and I've know idea if they contact me to discuss it further or what the fuck happens.

I'm just baffled. Is this normal for secondary?!
Is this how it is handled?

He was repeatedly punched ffs.

OP posts:
worridmum · 14/09/2018 20:31

In a fight especially were the OP admitted starting physical contact (but remember he is playing down his side massively most likely, With boys this age your son could be getting revenge on the other boy for the fight previously in the week)

I have seen this exact scenario thank god for CCTV, boy A has a fight on Monday with boy B. No CCTV or witnesses both boys are punished, boy C decides to start a fight with boy A (so its the second time in 1 week boy A had been in a fight but CCTV proved that boy C started the fight despite him telling his parents that boy A is violent little shit two fights in 1 week).

So i would not be surprised if your son did more then simply pushed the boy. If you go to the police and there is evidence that you son "victim" was equally guilty of affair so either both boys would be charged or none will does not matter whom complains to the police.

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 20:32

LokiBear for the first few years it was a brilliant school, then it became a “flagship new build” super campus from 3-18 with shiny new staff and a whole new agenda. It was horrible, but thankfully he’s in a wonderfully supportive ASN high school.

DDs new primary is really good too, and really into building relationships with parents.

I’m honestly not school or teacher bashing, there are some horrors, absolutely, and they cause very real damage. But there are also bloody brilliant teachers, who change lives in a meaningful way.

LokiBear · 14/09/2018 20:32

The police will call the school. They will take their cues from the school. It is highly unlikely they will persue the complaint if they feel the school have dealt with it. As I said before, the may send in a CSO to talk to the agressor. Call the nonemergency number and report it, you will see what I mean.

Willow2017 · 14/09/2018 20:34

Its petfectly obvious the kid is targeting children to fights.
Surely calling them names and asking them if they want to fight then taking a swing at them is self explanatory ?

Willow2017 · 14/09/2018 20:36

Wortiedmum
Well considering a teacher corroborated ops sons story you are jumping to huge conclusions based on nothing.

Willow2017 · 14/09/2018 20:36

Worriedmum even!

LokiBear · 14/09/2018 20:36

YeTalk - you have bern failed, I think you have a right to feel angry. I hope the school that the Ops son attends does a better job at dealing with this. The assistant head has behaved poorly but it doesnt mean the rest of the staff will.

DerekTheBrave · 14/09/2018 20:37

Yabu.

You’ve gone in in a flap, demanding to know what punishments will be given and how you know he won’t be assaulted again - for all they know this was a two way fight in which your son came off worst.

Going to the school was overkill. They’d not have let him go back to lessons if he wasn’t fine.

Asking your 101 questions was overkill. They don’t know until they investigate. You didn’t give them time to do that.

It would have been more productive to collect him at the end of the day, speak to him over the weekend and spend some time compiling a reasoned and rationale email to the head to ask your questions.

Plenty of time after that to go storming in if they don’t give you a reasonable amount of information.

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 20:37

Thank you Smile

I hope so too! I agree that one unprofessional and unpleasant member of senior staff doesn’t mean they’ll all be the same.

LokiBear · 14/09/2018 20:41

My point is that the information in the ops post is one version, told 3rd hand. We do not know it is accurate. There may have been more verbal provocation. WE do not know. WE shouldnt jump to conclusions or make assumptions. You can advise and support the OP without stiring the pot. She needs to await the outcome of the investigation. Irregardless of how the fight started, 5 punches to the face needs a serious consequence as it is disproportionate.

BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 20:42

Willow2017
Its petfectly obvious the kid is targeting children to fights.

It really isn't, we don't know what went on in the first fight, We don't know what went on in the day before the fight were the OP's son got involved.

I can think of 3 or 4 different scenarios around this because I have seen them or had them come out of investigations.

MaisyPops · 14/09/2018 20:46

BoneyBackJefferson
But I think we can say fairly reasonably that with the OP's son and teacher saying the same on today's situation that the other child did instigate today's situation.

Leaving aside hearsay on previous altercations, there's staff witnesses who've said they saw what happened today.

The school have to investigate and do it properly though.

LokiBear · 14/09/2018 20:46

The teacher corroborated tgat the ops ds was hut in the face, nit hoe the altercation started. Trust me, you don't stand back and wsit for the fight to start. Also, very few year 7s wouls say 'pussy' infront on a teacher.

redcaryellowcar · 14/09/2018 20:47

I'm sorry I haven't read all the replies but I think you are right to be upset and concerned. Schools manage to sweep things under the carpet far more than they should, in the same situation I would be contacting the police, there is no way this would happen in the 'real world' and it not be assault? Always believe your son, you are his advocate and he needs to know to trust you to be on his side and not to abuse that and to be truthful.

LokiBear · 14/09/2018 20:47

Sorry for the typos. On my phone and eating at the same time!

Perfectly1mperfect · 14/09/2018 20:47

YeTalkShiteHen

You sound very fair and a nice mum.

It is difficult to take that step back when your children are hurt. I admit my OH is better at that than me, I have to really try but I do manage as I know acting less emotional usually gets you further.

I hope all is well with your son now.

MaisyPops · 14/09/2018 20:49

loki
In which case my mistake. I thought I'd read that the teacher saw the whole thing.

I've seen some y7s who would say it quietly and slyly if they think the teacher can't hear/see, usually students who are keen to stir and try to provoke others into a reaction only to cry victim and poor me.

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 20:50

Thank you Perfectly, I have tried hard to ensure I act calmly (however difficult at times, I haven’t always succeeded) because you catch more flies with honey as my Grannie would have said.

My DP is the definition of calm and diplomatic, me less so. He makes it look effortless Grin

All is well now, thank you.

Perfectly1mperfect · 14/09/2018 20:54

DiegoMad0nna

I didn't say all boys but there are groups of boys to who reputation is everything so it does apply to some. There are plenty of examples at our local secondary schools and hanging around the streets causing problems.

itchybumhole · 14/09/2018 20:56

I can't believe the OP is getting a hard time here. She reacted in exactly the same way that any other caring parent would have done.
Those who are ridiculing her... think how you'd feel if your child was punched in the face 5 times at school.
Pushing someone away who is trying to assault you is not 'starting a fight' Ffs

LokiBear · 14/09/2018 20:56

Ive seen those yr7s too, Maisy! Thankfully, other kids usually turn on them pretty quick, thankfully.

Perfectly1mperfect · 14/09/2018 20:57

because you catch more flies with honey as my Grannie would have said.

I like that. Smile

My DP is the definition of calm and diplomatic, me less so. He makes it look effortless

Sounds like me and OH. He so calm its anoying at times but he has his uses such as in situations like this.Grin

Glad to hear all is good with your son now.

DiegoMad0nna · 14/09/2018 20:58

Perfectly1mperfect

Ok. I guess there was confusion because in response to me laughing at this post:

If you ask them who is at the top and who is the next one down etc they all know

which says ALL boys operate as hierarchical packs, you said "it's true though".

Perfectly1mperfect · 14/09/2018 20:58

Annoying not anoying Blush

Willow2017 · 14/09/2018 20:59

Having a teacher back up ops sons story isnt enough for you Boney?

And knowing a fair few kids at my childs school who.do this stuff i can believe this is a regular pattern in this case too. He punched the other child and punched ops son in the face its not a stretch to.think its his modis operandum.