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AIBU?

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My son was assaulted at school and I don't like how the school handled it. But AIBU?

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ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 16:40

My son is in year 7 so only a couple of weeks in.
Two things that could alter my reasonablility in what happened today
1- we're fresh out of Primary school, perhaps this is the norm for secondary school
2- I was horrifically bullied at school and beaten up regularly, I've no doubt this makes me extra jumpy with issues of bullying that may arise.

Today I get a phone call from pastoral at 1pm. They say my son has been punched in the face after he got into a 'fracas'. But they put ice on it and he's gone back to class.

That's it.

I ask is he ok? What happened? Who did it? How did the fight start? Is he ok to walk home? Will it happen again? How old was the kid?

They say they don't know. They just deal with first aid and to call his house.

I'm panicking because DS is a really gentle soul and quiet, least aggressive child I know and his kindness has always been pointed out by teachers at primary (again false sense of security?!).

So I'm calling the school for over an hour trying to get through to someone to find out wtf happened, and is my kid ok? I mean, aside from the ice on the cheek?!

Someone finally calls me back about 2.15pm, I ask what happened? They said they just spoke to my son and he got into a fight and the other child hit my son in the face, but they will get statements from everyone and find out what happened.
I asked if it would happen again? Is my son ok to walk home? Who is the other child?

They can't tell me who the kid is and they are going to investigate it.

I ask them if I can come and collect DS as I still don't know if he's ok (I wouldn't be if I'd just been punched!) and they said yes.

So I go down to the school, see DS waiting for me. I ask to speak to someone about what's happened.
In the mean time I talk to DS, I can see the bruises on his face (I've since taken photos) and ask him what happened.

DS was with a friend, child X called friend a pussy. My DS said "why are you calling him a pussy?"
Child X asks DS if he wants a fight? DS said no, Child X swings and DS. DS pushes him away, Child X falls down. He then gets up and punches DS 5 times in the face, a teacher pulls him off.

The friend DS is with has a black eye, earlier in the week Child X punched him and he's got massive bruising (DS says "worse than mine") and it looks terrible.

Half an hour passes and a woman saunters over. We go into a room, and she says "what do you want to know?"

I say I wanted to know what happened. DS has since told me, he also told me another child has been hurt. What happens next? Will the kid be punished? Will DS be ok to walk home safely in future?

She says "well first of all, your child got himself involved with this altercation. And I'll get statements from the adults who witnessed it to find out exactly what happened."

She's really rude and defensive with zero people skills. I'm feeling myself getting a panicky frustration and anger (I expect I was BU?!).

This conversation goes round in circles and I get absolutely no answers. I don't know how the child gets punished, I don't know how they stop it happening in future, I don't know if he's ok to walk home alone or if this kid is going to do it again.

All I know is they'll be getting statements.

I ask how the child will be punished? She said it depends what the statements say and what your son did.

She did admit that one of the teachers statements married up with what my son had said.

She was rude, abrupt and accusatory.
As I left I said she needed to work on her people skills. She said "I could say the same to you."

I walked out and just sat in the car and cried.
I'm a nurse if a child is hurt and a parent is irate, I do my best to calm them down and help them. That's my job.

Today my child was hurt, I wasn't reasurred in any way shape or form (on the contrary, the kid has form for assaulting children) and I've know idea if they contact me to discuss it further or what the fuck happens.

I'm just baffled. Is this normal for secondary?!
Is this how it is handled?

He was repeatedly punched ffs.

OP posts:
LokiBear · 14/09/2018 19:44

Maisypops - we know nothing about the agressor at all. There are some kids who get smacked out so much they think it is normal to hit when someone offends you. It isnt black and white. The agressor needs a consequence, in my school itvwould be an internal or external exclusion, report card, close monitoring, potentially anger management and a very stern telling off and outline of expectations. But, the child is 12. Possibly 11 at this point in year 7. Not a hardened criminal. You can keep the ops son safe without hanging the agressor.

Poloshot · 14/09/2018 19:48

These things happen one of those things.

Goldenbear · 14/09/2018 19:49

It's 'breach' not 'breech' they have very different meanings!

Melamin · 14/09/2018 19:51

I don't think they have handled it particularly well. At DCs school, it was mainly the Head of Year and a pastoral who covered two year groups (who went up the school with the children so knew them pretty well by then). They worked as a team and spent the first weeks proactively getting to know the pupils and sorting stuff out.

With all this waiting around and not giving out proper messages when the first phoned, your's don't sound like they are on top of things at all.

Perfectly1mperfect · 14/09/2018 19:51

YeTalkShiteHen

No worries. It's good to hear people being protective of all children.

I think secondary school is a really tough environment to get through. Many boys are reluctant to talk about any problems they have so it can be so hard for schools to help. Plus secondary schools are so large compared to primary that unfortunately I think many kids just get a bit lost in the system.

It is a really hard situation all round like you say. Hopefully there's a good outcome for everyone concerned here though.

howrudeforme · 14/09/2018 19:54

Think coldrain is the head of year at my ds school......

DiegoMad0nna · 14/09/2018 19:54

boys have a very clear hierarchy within their “packs”. If you ask them who is at the top and who is the next one down etc they all know

This is one of the funniest things I've read in a while.

Rockandrollwithit · 14/09/2018 19:56

OP I am a member of SLT at a primary school and have dealt with similar situations before. The way the member of staff spoke to you was completely unacceptable. I have been sworn at by parents and worse and no matter how upset and frustrated you become inside, it's completely unprofessional to show it. If necessary you halt the conversation and pass on to another member of SLT to continue.

Anyway, in your situation it's not acceptable that no one could give you any specific information at the time of the phone call. That would have diffused everything. I am often in class teaching but I would have phoned you, explained the incident, reassured you about your son's injuries and then informed you that the school is investigating. I would have given you a way to contact me with further enquiries at a convenient time. I would not be able to comment on the sanctions applied or the investigation at that point. However I think if your initial point of contact (the phone call) had been handled differently, lots of the other issues wouldn't have arisen.

I think you need to look up the HOY on the website - it will be somewhere. Email the school office marking the email for the attention of Year 7 HOY. Request that they phone you to confirm that they will be in touch when the investigation is complete. If this HOY is a different person, try to treat them as such and not allow your feelings regarding the other member of staff to intrude.

At our school we would take statements during the same day. However we often need to meet as an SLT to agree on sanctions and further actions e.g. Does a behaviour plan need to be drawn up? Does the parent liasion worker need to become involved? Are there other issues regarding the pupil e.g. involvement with services? I teach for 4.5 days a week (budget cuts) so this wouldn't happen instantly.

What happened to your son was unacceptable. I hope he is OK.

Perfectly1mperfect · 14/09/2018 19:59

This is one of the funniest things I've read in a while.

But it's true though !

Dermymc · 14/09/2018 19:59

You'd be an idiot to sue the school. Why take more money from a system that is already broken?!

OP YABU regarding an outcome after an hour, that's ridiculous. It sounds like your tone with the school wasn't great either.

ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 20:03

I would be an idiot if I sued the school?
Lovely input.
Where have I said I had any intention of suing the school?

OP posts:
ButAIBUtho · 14/09/2018 20:03

And I didn't expect an outcome after an hour. I expected to be reasurred and told how my son would be kept safe. Hmm

OP posts:
BoneyBackJefferson · 14/09/2018 20:04

Perfectly1mperfect

But it's true though !

Only for those that go around in packs, the vast majority of boys really couldn't give a fuck.

DiegoMad0nna · 14/09/2018 20:04

But it's true though

It's really not. It may be true that some boys start fights to establish status, but the idea that all boys act as packs with known hierarchies is complete nonsense.

ChiaraRimini · 14/09/2018 20:05

OP how this was dealt with by School was out of order and you are right to question it. Your child has only been there a matter of days. He needs to know he is safe there and what to do if there is trouble. This is not normal - Please trust your instincts on this and don't be fobbed off. You are in your child's corner. Sadly you can't assume the school staff will always get it right in dealing with disruptive kids (not your boy, the other one).
@Rockandrollwithit is completely right.

Marie0 · 14/09/2018 20:06

hope you and your son are ok - this must have been a real shock for both of you

YeTalkShiteHen · 14/09/2018 20:08

Perfectly1mperfect it’s my own child’s experiences that got me to that point. When it was targeted bullying by a NT child with no other issues/dx out of nastiness, of course I was furious, and wanted him to be punished but I also wanted him to be educated on why his behaviour was so wrong.

When DS1 ended up in A&E because another boy in his class lashed out and seriously injured him, I understood it wasn’t the boy’s fault (he had SN and should have had support staff with him, but they were elsewhere) and actually defended him to the school who wanted to exclude him!

Aye, as a Mum I want to defend my children against anyone who would harm them, and immediate reaction is sometimes to get angry/scared, that’s totally natural.

I guess having been able to take a step back, I realise that working with the children who are aggressive to try to prompt change IS protecting my children too.

I’m probably rambling now.

OP, I don’t blame you for your reaction at all. It was one of fear and worry. I hope it is resolved and that you can be reassured that your son will be safe in school.

LokiBear · 14/09/2018 20:13

Boneyback - agree 100%. Im HOY of year 11. Ive been this year groups HOY for 6 years (we used to be a 10-14 school, changed our age to 11-16 when my guys were yr 7, so ive had them an extra year). The vast majority of my boys couldn't give a fuck about belonging to a pack.

LokiBear · 14/09/2018 20:15

YeTalk - genuinly sorry to hear that your child went through so much. It isnt fair, it isnt right and it should never be tolerated. Schools who do not act when it cones to bullying let down our whole profession.

MaisyPops · 14/09/2018 20:20

There are some kids who get smacked out so much they think it is normal to hit when someone offends you.
I agree.

However, this child didn't just lash out because the OP's son offended him. It's not impulse control issues or someone who lashes out.
This is a bit who has actively targeted students, attempted to start fights with words and when that didn't work, took a swing at the OP's son. The child is actively instigating fights.

ButAIBUtho I think they might be making reference to the poster saying they would be suing the school and finding whatever angle they could to inflict as much financial damage on the school as possible.
I read their comment as you would be ridiculous if you sued (taking someone else's advice).

Lokisglowstickofdestiny · 14/09/2018 20:20

If you don't get an adequate response from the school that reassures you that your son isn't at further risk then the Police is your next stop. I get pissed off with people minimising violence in school. Why does it make any difference where the violence occurs, if this has been in the local park it would be the Police straight away?

tolerable · 14/09/2018 20:24

This is something I'm beginning to realise I need to accept.

@OP even if you stand alone-NEVER settle for less than what you believe in.

LokiBear · 14/09/2018 20:25

Maisy you are making assumptions. We, the mumsnet jury, have third hand information to go on. You have no idea if this 11/12 year old 'actively targeted' anyone. Honestly, we know nothing more than the little bit of information the op has gleaned from her traumatised son.

NobodyToVoteForNow · 14/09/2018 20:29

There's a large group on MN who only turn up on these threads to kick you when youre down, tell yabu and generally rub salt in your wounds.

Ignore them.

As a parent with a child a similar age i completely get where you're coming from. It's a physical assault, witnessed by a teacher. It's not that complicated and it shouldnt take more than a couple of hours for them to figure out who did what. You would be well within your rights to go to the police with the evidence you have now, and the school know it. Give them one more day to reassure you they're taking this extremely seriously and making damn sure your child is safe (the bare minimum of their duty of care in law) then report.

MaisyPops · 14/09/2018 20:30

LokiBear
The teacher observed it and has supported what the OP's son has said.

If an adult came up to me and started talking shit to me, trying to wind me up, then challenge me to a fight and then took a swing at me, I'd say they were being a confrontational and aggressive twat.
Saying that the instigator is actively targeting other children is a polite and milder take to account for the fact they are a child.

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