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Help me understand people who are consistently late

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Namechangemum100 · 14/09/2018 12:34

I'm.meeting a friend today, I have deliberately told her the meet time is 30 minutes earlier than it should be as I know for sure she will be late, she always is.

I am one of those people who is always on time, I get ridiculous anxiety if I'm running late and it's just the way I am, but I find myself constantly waiting around for other people, and I just don't understand it.

If you are the type of person who is always late (15 minutes plus and excluding unavoidable traffic etc ), whats your reasoning? I have some friends who will actually say "oh I'll be late to xyz, you know me"...what does this mean?! How?! You know the time of meeting, why is it so hard? Some people will actually let me know they are "running late" at the actual meet time...how did you not forsee this situation 10-15 minutes ago and give a heads up?!

I'm not trying to be goady, if I understand the reasons why I think I might find it less frustrating.

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PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 18/09/2018 12:23

It’s odd that so many people on here seem to be able to pinpoint the many reasons they are late but none seem to have done anything about any of them and are wondering why they are still always late.

There seems to be a distinct lack of learning from ones previous mistakes. A sense of ‘well this is who I am so just accept it’ type of attitude. It really is crap.

EthelThePiratesDaughter · 18/09/2018 12:35

What is it that prevents someone from putting their shoes by the door and their keys in their bag before they go to bed? Will someone please explain?

You've fallen into the trap of trying to rationalise this from the mindset of someone who is not habitually late.

But for the worst offenders I don't think it's a case of rushing around trying to find keys or shoes. If my mother is anything to go by, it's less about not being organised in doing things we all need to do before leaving to go somewhere (like putting shoes on or locking the door). They are "busy" doing things that simply don't need to be done right then and there. Or they are starting to get ready when they already should have left. Or a combination of the two.

There have been so many times when my mum and I have made plans to go somewhere together and said "we'll leave at 10", and at 10 she is still in bed, at 10:20 she might get in the shower, and at 11 she's wandering around in her knickers making a cup of tea or emptying the dishwasher. We don't live in the same country anymore so thankfully it's not too much of an issue, but if I'm home for the weekend and we make plans to go and see my gran, I'll say "let's leave at 9", then I will get up at 9 and cheerfully say "are you nearly ready yet?" to make her get out of bed, and then I might go and do a 5k run, come back, shower and eat breakfast, knowing full well that I have time to do all those things before she's even put her pants on.

It's infuriating. But it was worse when I was waiting around at the school gates to be picked up every day. At least when I'm in the house I can find other things to do while she's faffing about.

EthelThePiratesDaughter · 18/09/2018 12:36

Oh and I think the PP who mentioned there being an element of mind control is spot on in some cases. I know that if my mum feels like someone is trying to hurry her up, even when they're both already super late, she'll slow right down, because she'll only get moving when she wants to, and everyone else can go fuck themselves.

EthelThePiratesDaughter · 18/09/2018 12:36

Oh and I think the PP who mentioned there being an element of mind control is spot on in some cases. I know that if my mum feels like someone is trying to hurry her up, even when they're both already super late, she'll slow right down, because she'll only get moving when she wants to, and everyone else can go fuck themselves.

SleepingStandingUp · 18/09/2018 12:44

It’s odd that so many people on here seem to be able to pinpoint the many reasons they are late but none seem to have done anything about any of them and are wondering why they are still always late.
Weirdly I work better under pressure so if the timings are tight I can focus. If I get up at 7 and leave at 12 I'm more likely to be late than if I leave at 8. I don't have a justification for that any more than I do finding my keys in plenty of time, putting them somewhere then when I come to leave having to search for 10 minutes to refund them during which I've also put down my phone which I need to refund.

My only solution is to aim where I can for massively early so if meeting for the theatre I'll put in time for a coffee on my own first if I can which ends up being a take out I chug as I'm then 5 minutes early not the 38 I allowed.

I do think people have to take ownership of their tardiness though. I always text to day I'm x minutes late leaving the house, bus is 2 minutes late for etc.

If I had friends who assumed I was sitting there laughing at how I'm late and think it's great and that I'm doing it because I don't care about them then we wouldn't be friends any more and that would be fine. If you assume people are late because they can't be bothered with you then you're right to cut them off.
Most people accept that people are late because of themselves and therefore tolerate it more knowing that their friend would reciprocate the understanding

PhilomenaButterfly · 18/09/2018 12:49

longestlurkerever I wouldn't have committed to the dinner thing if I knew I had to get the kids back from forest school.

EthelThePiratesDaughter · 18/09/2018 12:53

If you assume people are late because they can't be bothered with you then you're right to cut them off.

If they are a repeat offender then they don't care about you. Not enough to worry about wasting your time repeatedly or making you anxious.

SleepingStandingUp · 18/09/2018 12:55

What is it that prevents someone from putting their shoes by the door and their keys in their bag before they go to bed? Will someone please explain?

Me, night before. "I need to pack bags ready for tomorrow. Purse. Purse. Where did I put my purse. (searches for 10 minutes). OK, purse is in bag. Keys. Keys are in the kitchen. Oh look, key. Kettle. God I haven't had a drink for 6 hours. I'll get a glass of water. (wanders into living room) husband, do you remember such and such, well I saw her today and she said hi. Did you call your mum? How is she? Oh I'd better get a load of washing on tonight so you can dry it tomorrow. (goes upstairs to get washing). Oh I need to find that book for Jenny. (gets book, gets washing, goes downstairs)
DH: WHMhat are you doing?
Me: washing. (put book down in living room, washing on)
Dh: do you want a coffee?
Mw: oh yes please. (sits down with coffee feeling pleased I've done it all)

4am: oh crap did I put my keys in my bag? And I need to make breakfast too.

8am: I know I need pt leave in 40 minutes but I forgot to put my purse in my bag my keys are there though. Where's my purse? I thought it was upstairs?? " and so on.

Yes I'm clearly a shit and horrible human being but any one who assumes my scattiness is a personal affront to them have probably tired of me running multiple conversations at the same time and losing my phone whilst sitting still

SleepingStandingUp · 18/09/2018 12:57

I wouldn't have committed to the dinner thing if I knew I had to get the kids back from forest school. I'd rather my friend was late but came than didn't come.

If they are a repeat offender then they don't care about you matter of opinion. I have a friend whose time keeping is the stuff of legends. Her missing our weddings was a running joke whereby she was made to sleepover at someone house so she couldn't get distracted. It absolutely isn't a reflection on how much she loves us

MegMez · 18/09/2018 13:08

A mixture of reasons.

I am too busy e.g. last weekend I had to drop one to rugby and one to gymnastics in different towns and could only leave once my husband brought the van home from work. It was tight. We were a bit late.

I am disorganised e.g. I can’t find something vital to my day like my purse because I’ve left it in the kitchen which involves unlocking the kitchen, finding the purse then having to round the dogs back up.

I have a touch of anxiety/ OCD style worries e.g. I’ll be in the car, at the end of my road but I have to turn around and go home again to double and triple check that all hair straighteners & curling tongs are unplugged, all plugs are turned off, all lights are off etc. I know it’s annoying.

Tractors. Bloody tractors. I can factor an extra half hour or so onto a work journey to make up for my cruddy car/van but then if I’m stuck behind a flipping tractor all the way up the A470 I am going to be late for that meeting in Aberystwyth. And no I can’t text on the way because I’m driving.

Poo. A couple of weeks ago I was late leaving the house because I went for a wee that turned into a horrible poo. I cannot factor that in.

It’s not because I don’t respect or I dislike who or where I’m going. I’m just a mess.

longestlurkerever · 18/09/2018 13:12

Failure to plan in advance - human frailty innit? The same thing that might make the next person sack off the gym even though they need to lose weight, or have a glass of wine even though they know it gives them a headache, or splurge on something they can't afford and regret it later and swear never again. You may do none of these things. Other people are crappier humans than you, clearly, but I still don't think it's personal. Infuriating, but not personal. And the finer I am cutting it the more I take risks like going to the nearer station hoping there'll be a train, rather than stopping to check whether it makes more sense to go to the further one with a more frequent service.

So you wouldn't commit to the dinner, fine. I did. So did my friends, even though when we had a conversation about it a few weeks ago we were all a bit worried about getting there on time for various reasons but we're still looking forward to it. This is the way our lives work though. It's not a rare occurrence that we have back to back engagements, work commitments that may overrun etc etc. Saying no to social engagements would make us late less often but ultimately we'd see each other less.

JakeBallardswife · 18/09/2018 13:13

I agree with you re lateness, it winds me up. DH is perpetually late for everything, so I always tell him we need to be ready 30 mins before we need to so that he's ready.

BertieBotts · 18/09/2018 13:17

Hidden disability related - though I have been late for work more times than is really acceptable and I did used to be late for school every single day, I could see how this would look like a discrepancy as I am normally on time for work, flights etc yet before I had better management systems in place (and still, sometimes) have tended to be/am late to meet friends.

Also, somebody asked if an often-late person knows the calculation idea, counting backwards etc works why not just do that? For me anyway -

Work and school tend to be the same time every day and hence it's the same routine to get there and the calculation for what needs doing only needs to be done once. Plus if it's wrong it can be adjusted ready for the next time. But mainly the fact that it's already been done/calculated, means I don't need to think about it and calculate it again.

I also learned when I was in college to incentivise myself to leave early by aiming to arrive on the bus one earlier than the last possible one. By doing it this way I allowed myself to buy a coffee in the canteen or similar before my first class. This is a philosophy I've carried on, however, 90%+ of the time, I will miss that earlier bus and arrive on time (but "late" according to my own plan).

For something huge like a plane or train for a long trip I allow myself masses of extra time - like hours. And again still end up cutting it fine sometimes.

But anyway - I don't tend to do this when I'm meeting friends. Mainly that's because it doesn't really occur to me. Nobody puts as much preparation into planning to meet friends for lunch as they do to catch a plane to another country. I do more recently tend to stick the details into a journey planner and work out the times I need to leave, but I probably wouldn't think to do much more than that.

I do have a bit of a tendency to disbelieve myself, too. I'll calculate how long it will take to leave and then when I need to start getting ready and then I'll think incredulously "But that's a whole two hours before I need to even be there! That can't be right." The trouble is it is normally right Hmm I'm getting much better at overriding that script, but it's taken me years to get to the point where I'll grumpily go along with it rather than just thinking nah... and ignoring it.

The other thing is that it takes a huge amount of mental energy to do the whole counting backwards, working out how much time I need, kind of thing - and while that mental energy is justified when it is in relation to something which will be repeated many times and hence is valuable many times over, or for something which would be utterly catastrophic if it was missed and which warrants taking the best part of a day to deal with, a casual meet up does not fall into either of these categories and I do not usually have an entire day to write off just to ensure that I meet the friend on time. If I did this for every thing I would never do anything. Having to put massive amounts of preparation into something does make a difference to the overall difficulty of it - just think of how difficult it is to get out of the door with a pukey newborn or a potty training toddler vs how easy it is to get out as a single adult on your own.

And while I understand that it's not a totally automatic, easy, effortless process for everyone else, someone else commented something like "I can't imagine having a shower and not realising that it would take time to dry my hair. Surely that is completely obvious?" - well, no, and that's what I mean when I say things aren't automatic!

Then the last problem is that yes - in fact I probably could channel more of my energy, time, mental health etc into ensuring that I'm always on time - but being late is not the only problem that my invisible difficulty bestows upon me. In reality there are several areas where I fall down - cleaning up after myself, keeping promises (to myself or others), being consistent in parenting, working, self-care (eating, sleeping, hygiene), keeping track of personal objects, maintaining positive relationships, and so on. I could meet normal standards of any of these things by expending a huge amount of effort and energy into them but it is physically impossible to keep up with all of them (I don't have the energy nor hours in the day) and therefore I will invariably aim for a "good enough" shot at everything I can, which means I fall behind exacting standards most of the time. I can't do it all - but it's not selfishness or lack of caring, and it's quite distressing to think that others perceive it this way.

EthelThePiratesDaughter · 18/09/2018 13:18

The same thing that might make the next person sack off the gym even though they need to lose weight, or have a glass of wine even though they know it gives them a headache, or splurge on something they can't afford and regret it later and swear never again.

You're kind of missing the fundamental point, which is that those "flaws" only affects you and not others, whereas your lateness only affects others and not you.

PorkFlute · 18/09/2018 13:24

The fact is if you don’t have a disability you can help it. The endless excuses as to why you can’t possibly be on time are only hindering you. That’s why people end up hours late imo. They think might as well snooze the alarm I’ll be late anyway.

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 18/09/2018 13:26

There seems to be an awful lot of misplacing of purses. When I come home from work I place my wallet, house keys, work pass and car keys in the same drawer by the front door the moment I come home. Why can’t you do the same?

longestlurkerever · 18/09/2018 13:29

Well that is totally untrue. I've said consistently on this thread that I put the effort in if I know I'm meeting someone who will care if I'm late. I just don't normally operate that way and rely on give and take. Most of the time when I'm late it affects me - I have to run, beg my way on to a plane that's closing, work late to get my hours in. Sometimes it affects others but they shrug it off because they do the same and I shrug it off. I honestly don't see allowing for a bit of human frailty to be the enormous burden you do.

PhilomenaButterfly · 18/09/2018 13:31

But people who are easily distracted while preparing the night before do have a disability. Like Sleeping's example. That's a symptom of a disability that may not be diagnosed. I was only diagnosed a few months ago. I'm never late because I'm obsessed with how long things take. I have no sense of time, so I've got 20 alarms set. DS2's got a sleepover this weekend. I'll pack on Thursday morning, because then it's not worrying me. I applied for DD's secondary school place on 1st September, because then I won't miss the deadline and it's not worrying me.

SleepingStandingUp · 18/09/2018 13:35

When I come home from work I place my wallet, house keys, work pass and car keys in the same drawer by the front door the moment I come home. Why can’t you do the same?

I don't know.

My keys go in the shoe box. My keys go in the shoe box. When I can't find them DH says Shoe box and I find them. And yet they're lost again.

I assume I needed the loo or there was tons of post or the kid was screaming to be released and I didn't but now I can't remember where I did put them.

DH never loses ANYTHING EVER. He has NEVER left a bag on the bus or lost house keys. I'm as baffled at that as you are at me

melj1213 · 18/09/2018 13:45

What is it that prevents someone from putting their shoes by the door and their keys in their bag before they go to bed? Will someone please explain?

It's a general lack of organization, pre planning and not having a home for everything.

I genuinely don't understand the whole "where is my XYZ?" phenomenon. I always know where things are because they all have a specific home they permanently live in and I make it a rule that things have to be put back in their place when finished with. And if I do misplace something then the number of places it is likely to be is minimised to maybe one or two places.

When DD and I walk in the front door our shoes go on the shoe rack, coats on the coat hook, keys in the key bowl on the hall table and my handbag either gets hung up with my coat or dropped on the hall chair. My purse permanently lives in my bag and I always have my phone to hand. These habits are second nature now so I don't even have to think about it, I just do them automatically.

When I leave the house I don't need to search for anything as it is always in the same place. On the exceptionally rare occasion I am running late I don't have to spend time faffing as it is second nature to go to the hall, grab my shoes off the rack, put on my coat, pick up my bag, pick up my keys and walk straight out of the door.

My DB and SIL on the other hand have no system - when they come in the house they just drop things wherever it lands, keys get put on any surface, cards/purse/wallet left lying wherever they turn them out of a pocket etc - and they are constantly running late because they have to spend so long searching for things they can't find and don't remember where they left them.

PhilomenaButterfly · 18/09/2018 13:51

That's another thing. Coats on hooks. Shoes in hallway. Bags behind bedroom door. Hairbrushes in TV room. DD's phone next to her pillow. We have problems with her hairbrush and phone. Always put things back in the same place, and picking them up becomes a habit like brushing your teeth.

SleepingStandingUp · 18/09/2018 13:53

melj1213

Because.

I know keys go in shoe box. Take key out front of door and put in shoe box. Most of the times when I go to the shoe box the keys are there. And sometimes they aren't. I have no idea why. I can't remember doing anything different.

It's like DH doesn't understand how I lose SO MUCH STUFF in the bus. I don't either but it's like my brain has a blip and I remember too late my phone, umbrella, shopping bag etc

longestlurkerever · 18/09/2018 14:10

Yes this absolutely! I have a hook for my keys. Mostly they are there. Sometimes I just forget to put them there. I have no idea why. I forgot my work computer yesterday because I forgot to put it in my bag. Having a system helps but doesn't make it infallible. Sometimes the things we have lost belong to the kids.

SleepingStandingUp · 18/09/2018 14:17

I forgot DS's coat for school this morning. Thankfully it's mild and if it gets cold they'll lend him one. So def not a matter of not caring about someone enough

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 18/09/2018 14:20

I could not live with that amount of needless stress and faffing. It would drive me insane.

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