AIBU to be gay and dislike the term LGBT

[BaitandSwitch]

Just that, really. Why do gay people have to be lumped in with trans people? As far as I see it my sexuality has nothing to do with trans issues.

[Edited by MNHQ]

I used to work for NUS, the LGB campaign was just that.T was added because the T campaign was so small and wanted/needed the wider support of the bigger LGB campaign.

Was very controversial.

YANBU

Funny how some posters are so recognisable despite name changes.

YANBU - i’m Gay and think that it’s time for a change/separation. Times have moved on massively and Trans movement has too. They don’t need to be lumped in with the rest of us anymore

I'm so glad you said this OP.

It's not the same, sexuality should not be in the same box as gender.

It's not the same, sexuality should not be in the same box as gender.

Absolutely. But it's more than that. The two groups are in direct contradiction.

Trans ideology teaches that gender identity is paramount. Biology doesn't matter. If you say you're a woman you're a woman, penis included. So if men who identify as women say they're lesbians then women are obliged to include them in their dating pool. To do otherwise - to reject partners on the basis of their sex, ignoring their gender identity, is considered transphobic. Homosexuality cannot exist in trans ideology.

What's entertaining, in a creepy sort of way, is how many prominent TRAs are engaged in what in genital terms are actually heterosexual relationships that they "queer" by adopting new labels.

This belief has never got me called transphobic in the real world, and I know and interact with a lot of trans people.

And yet here are a whole bunch of people saying exactly that (and worse, not to mention some shockingly poor science). And its from 2015, so the number won't have got any lower... This depresses me as much as anyone, but if I were a lesbian, I'd be outragedly horrified.

transgenderreality.com/2015/11/20/its-a-girls-dick/

L: girls who like girls
G: boys who like boys
B: you like both

All of these have to do with gender/sex
If there was no gender/sex there would be no labels. Binary and nonbinary trans people are affected by lgb issues too. If you're ftm and into guys then you'd be gay, as a female you would be straight. Your labels change.
In sexuality you also have to think about trans people. It won't change your sexuality but if you find out someone you like is trans then you have to know whether or not that's okay with you. Of course it's a personal preference. If you're lesbian you might not want to have sex with someone mtf that hasn't got bottom surgery.
Plus T and LGB have always been there for each other. We're helping out fight for rights. Trans people were at stonewall too. The LGBT community can be a safespace for those struggling with sexuality and gender. Other times it can be hell lmao

I only realised it was a zombie although interesting thread when I noticed a Q was added.
LGBTQIA
Wonders what letter will be added next year

@Sniv
Exactly man. I'm trans and even I know it's just a personal preference.

Not all lgbt people are insane SJWs, these crazy feminists on Mumsnet are taking only part of the community and using it against innocent people. Asking for those sexual questions is as insane as the sjws.

@Notamomlmao I knew you were a transsexual from your post.
Not that it matters to me who you are.
This is a zombie thread it may be resurrected giving the title.

these crazy feminists on Mumsnet are taking only part of the community and using it against innocent people
Why don't you start a thread to trash out these issues, it won't go down well.
Best avoid what is not good for you is my mantra.

@EmeraldShamrock
You felt the need to tell me that why?

@EmeraldShamrock
Know I'm gonna get hate for it but just telling the truth lol

To tell you what? A zombie thread? It is usually practice to let a poster know when posting on a zombie thread. 🧟‍♀️

@EmeraldShamrock
No, that you knew I was trans. Kind of unnecessary?

Bi and I don’t mind any of the letters in LGBTQIA

No, that you knew I was trans. Kind of unnecessary?
I am sorry I did not mean to offend you. I meant I knew by your post the points made.
I don't have an issue with trans people. I agree there should be space for mtf ftm but it is unfair on woman having to share the space with unknown mtf.
IMO a person wouldn't go through those changes unless they believed but expecting other woman to except mtf's arriving in women's shelter's prisons etc can't happen too.

@EmeraldShamrock
Oh no it's fine. Trans people should always come out before they go out with someone. Gender separation is always kind of confusing. Personally I think if mtf girls have fully transitioned (breasts and vagina) then they should be grouped with other women then they should be allowed in the prisons. Goes for ftm too. There's no difference or way of telling then. Just my opinion though, I know some people may disagree because of dna differences rather than same genitalia.

Personally I think if mtf girls have fully transitioned (breasts and vagina) then they should be grouped with other women then they should be allowed in the prisons
I fully agree with this.
I don't agree that a mtf can self identify as a woman entering a shelter or prison with a penis.
I worked with a gent after a massive heart attack in his 50's he decided to come out as trans, he fully transitioned, I thought she was very brave.

@EmeraldShamrock
Exactly. It's no different from a cis person once they transition. Anyone can call themselves trans but to put in time and effort on your transition is how you really tell the difference between the fakes and the real ones. Of course not everyone can physically transition (family issues and physical issues) but for safety of everyone it's best you do when you go into personal places like locker rooms or cis-passing when you go to bathrooms.

All the gays I know can't stand Ts, but they aren't really negatively impacting them at the moment, so they don't say anything.

The lesbians are afraid of them and keep their heads down so as not to attract their attention.

Exactly. It's no different from a cis person once they transition
In ways but I can see why women are fearful especially when it comes to mtf trans in competitive sport against cis woman.
They are different in terms of strength and have an unfair advantage.

@Notamomlmao once again not trying to offend, there will always be many difference even after transition from mtf to cis female. It doesn't mean I don't think they should not have their own space.

Adding the T has harmed the LGB movement. In terms of sexuality, the argument for equality had been pretty much completely won. The pro trans arguments are in a different category and are being advanced by extremists. People are legitimately repelled by some trans activism and that negativity gets applied to LGB issues and people. The LGB movement needs to be brave and decouple from trans politics.

@EmeraldShamrock
Oh yeah definitely. I'm just talking abut body wise. You can't really spot a trans person day to day, hey go stealth.