AIBU to be gay and dislike the term LGBT

[BaitandSwitch]

Just that, really. Why do gay people have to be lumped in with trans people? As far as I see it my sexuality has nothing to do with trans issues.

[Edited by MNHQ]

"So are you against the pride movement considering it was started by a trans woman? "

No it wasn't. That's a lie. One that is beign told over and over and over.
Trans people love to "trans" other people when it suits them, erasing usually gay people aand esp butch lesbians.

I assume you're talking about stonewall/.

I’m not so happy about members of our community being transphobic

How is it transphobic to say that being attracted to someone of the same sex or both sexes (the LGB part) is not the same as someone who does not identify with their current sex and suffers from dysmorphia resulting in them wanting to be the other sex (the T part).

To me they are wildly different and I fully understand why some people do not like them being lumped together.

I’m not so happy about members of our community being transphobic and thinking they speak for all of us.

By transphobic do you mean not agreeing that transwomen are women or something else?

Pride/stonewall WASN'T started by a trans person.

It's another internet lie.

It's scary how many people believe this stuff unquestioningly!

A lot of T ideas are extremely homophobic.

Juno dawson saying that "A LOT OF GAY MEN ARE GAY MEN AS A CONSOLATION PRIZE BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T BE WOMEN",

sorry for caps, copy and paste.

Plus of course the idea that lesbians who won't worship cock need to be re-educated / ostracised / etc. "Gential fetishists" I have heard them called.

Also how would it even be "transphobic" to say it's not aligned with LGB? It's not. Three are about sexuality, one isn't. Basic logic not fear or hatred

I’m not L G B T Or Q and I’ve always found it a bit odd and rather disrespectful to lump everyone together in the one corner like that.

There’s also BAME which irritates me aswell - let’s lump all the non white/British people in the same corner (other side of the room from the LGBTQ+....). There was almost a riot when some white non British people tried to join the BAME group where I work, and yet they are ME.....

What does the + bit stand for anyway?

"There was almost a riot when some white non British people tried to join the BAME group where I work"

Why on earth were they trying to do that?
It is clear who it is for.

There is room for other groups.
Poeple who are white minority ethnic do not have the same experiences as people who are black.

I can't believe your post is in good faith?

A bloke recently at work at launch of LGBT+++ group said "why isn't there a group for straight people?". I said you're welcome to start one.

Balthazar I haven't said anything about boycotting Pride because of whoever allegedly started it. I don't go because I think the majority of the organisations associated with it predominantly support gay males without giving too much of a hoot about the women. Make of that whatever you choose.

Seriously, truly, how the FUCK have they convinced the world of this narrative?

It's the fake news thing again isn't it. Write stuff online. Get other (mostly men in tech industry) people to share it. And BAM, there's no longer such a thing as a woman.

Incredible. Years from now some academic will (I hope) track this stuff with incredulity.

"I’m not L G B T Or Q and I’ve always found it a bit odd and rather disrespectful to lump everyone together in the one corner like that."

I mean LOL don't you think it is up to THEM how to organise themselves

Hello ME as an outsider says YOU people are doing it all wrong and should do it like this and you should listen to me as a person who has literally no experience of what you are organising about

Balthazar are you completely unaware that the Pride movement (if you mean the stonewall riots) was, in fact, started by a butch lesbian - Storm Delarverie?

And the first pride march was started by homosexuals, not transgender people.

www.afterellen.com/people/490399-the-two-radical-lesbians-and-two-gay-men-who-started-pride

Why are you repeating lies rather than researching yourself? I hate to do this but I guess you are under the age of 30 and just believe everything that Pricknews and Facebook tell you. Have you read the transgendertrend website thoroughly to give yourself the chance to read opposing views to those you are fed through social media? Do you follow gender critical feminists on Twitter?

I say this because many of us so called anti-Trans people on Mumsnet started out genuinely sympathetic to the plight of transexuals and then watched (together with many of those transsexuals) and learned more as the movement developed into the misogynistic bullyboy that TRA has become.

Did you ever stop and think why women, many of whom have marched and campaigned for those less fortunate, are suddenly being cast as the baddies? Did all of us social-justice-campaigners suddenly wake up one morning and decide to become bigots or are we able to see a bigger picture than the one you are seeing?

BeenandGone You're knocking on a closed door with that one.

Nothing, unlike whoever you were posting to, I AM LGBTorQ and I still disagree with how it's organised. It doesn't work for everyone. Hence my staying away from Pride and spending my time with other women.

Balthazar all you've done with your comment is prove that there's no lie a TRA won't tell ad infinitum to back up their spurious ideology. Transing a dead butch lesbian? That's pretty low.

Or am I thinking of the drag queen guy? Can't remember now but either way, they weren't fucking trans!

Don't forget that Queen Elizabeth I and Joan of Arc are now also trans, as are all us women with PCOS

Trans people suffer far more discrimination that gay people, women or any other section of society

Is factually incorrect.

Factually correct: disabled people suffer far more discrimination than any other section of society.

It's not as mad as LGBTQQIAA
lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans (includes straight people who id as gay+trans), queer (includes straight people who are poly or kinky), questioning (that's me, a straight woman who occasionally has crushes on women I have never pursued), intersex (who are literally just male or female people with some developmental difference) asexual (which includes straight people who don't fancy other people) and allies (again with the straights)

So basically to be excluded from the acronym you would need to be a self identifying cis person who has never had a stray gay thought and only likes vanilla sex in a monogamous relationship and also doesn't support gay rights

"So are you against the pride movement considering it was started by a trans woman?

Is factually incorrect.

Factually correct: it was started by a lesbian.

Marsha P Johnson was a drag queen and a man (by his own account)

Drag culture has always used female pronouns and feminine names but also always acknowledge that drag queens are men. It demonstrates the lack of knowledge of their own history that young kweers don't know this.

Don't assume all young people don't know our history

I wonder when "Vanilla" will become taboo and suddenly young people in monogamous relationships will be the cool rebellious ones. There'll be cisphobia everywhere.

(I mean, you'd assume "never", but then you'd also assume that sane human beings wouldn't go to war with the most basic of biological facts, so ... just you wait.)