AIBU in thinking British Gymnastics new guidelines are disadvantaging girls and putting them in danger?

[GColdtimer]

I have just seen the BG new guidelines on inclusion (here.

They go against all of their own safeguarding policies by saying that children should use the changing room of the gender in which they identify (so boys who identify as girls can use the girls changing room. Their own safeguarding guidelines state changing rooms should be single sex.

They then say if the girls don't like it they can go elsewhere. If an individual remains unhappy about a trans person using facilities appropriate to their gender identity, then they should make alternative arrangements

They also say the same for residential trips. And because privacy is of greatest important (although not for girls it would seem), a teenage girl (or her parents) may not be told she is sharing a room with a teenage boy (who identifies as a girl.)

This goes against all of their published safeguarding guidelines which says there should be single sex changing rooms, washing facilities and sleeping arrangements (for trips).

They also say children under 16 can compete in the gender they identify with. So boys can compete against the girls if they wish.

(Girls can also complete against boys but its highly unlikely they will).

Their guidelines on gender also, say Signs can appear at a very young age e.g. a child refusing to wear typical clothes of their gender or taking part in non- typical games. I'd better tell my short haired, trouser wearing, rugby playing niece that the leading governing body for one of the most popular sports for children believe she is actually a boy.

AIBU in thinking this is sexist and dangerous and BG should be held to account?

Pinky strongly disagrees.
Pinky is writing to the UK right now about it.

All you’ve got is your fear that trans people are predators

I'd be fine getting changed in front of a trans man so it's not about transpeople at all. It's about people with penises in female spaces.

Have you written to the UN yet pinky?

Have you lobied the govt to do away with single sex hosp wards, psychiatric wards and prisons?

Get a move on dear.

Yes. My bigoted 8 year old dd and her pesky cId privilege.

Dies she just need re-educating pinky? Actually although she has long hair she loves sports and climbing trees and doesn't really do dolls and she prefers jeans. Perhaps she is actually a boy...

Pinky you are shaming and ridiculing women for wanting bodily privacy, consent and personal boundaries, and trying social pressure to force women to give them up. And you seem ok with that.

Frankly that tells me everything I need to know about your agenda.

But policies haven't changed pinky. When you have finished writing to the UN and the government about their single sex advice and guidelines perhaps you could go and actually educate yourself.

It’s fine to be opposed to sharing a room with one set of vulnerable minority people not with others?

Vulnerable my arse. Boys and men are getting Every thing handed to them on a plate while everyone else is thrown u see a bus and they also get to bypass every safe guarding check known to man. They are the most privileged people that have ever lived at the moment . No one dares say no to them

What are women and girls vulnerable to from people with cocks? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that's a fucking tricky one isn't it. (97% of the people in prison in the UK for sex offences have cocks).

Yep.

pinky I'm around men all the time. I just don't see their cocks flapping or have to worry about covering up my breasts and vulva.

All you’ve got is your fear that trans people are predators.

I don't think my father-in-law, the chap who shares my hot-desk, or my nephew are predators. I still wouldn't fancy showing them my fanny. And I'm a middle-aged woman who is comfortable in my skin.

I am a parent of a girl who attends gym the trans man would not be allowed I don’t give to shits about the police they would be out of the changing room before they arrived

All you’ve got is your fear that trans people are predators.

Pinky - do you think we should let all men and boys into girls' and women's changing rooms?

"Because my dd doesn’t want to should be reason enough. The sensitivities of a transchild should not be placed as more important than another child."

THIS ^ in bucket loads. Works both ways, for boys and girls.

I'd love to see their risk assessments on this. The BGA, and every other organisation who is stripping young people's privacy and dignity away. I wonder how many incidents will be swept under the carpet... Fucking disgrace.

All you’ve got is your fear that trans people are predators

Do you think it is insulting to teenage boys/men to say they need to be kept out of girls/womens changing rooms? Or visa versa?

This issue is about privacy and safeguarding. The fact that you choose to read it as an insult isn't our problem.

My DD already gets changed with people who are lesbian, non-binary, black, asian, catholic, muslim, disabled. She doesn't have an issue with that because they are all female.

there is no evidence that a transwomen is less of a risk to women than men

Until that evidence exists, then maintaining the legal position that it is ok to discriminate women from men in order to protect women and ensue they can participate fully in society should remain.

it is not just the danger of assault or abuse. Many women have mental health problems as a result of abuse. Being naked in front of men can trigger for example panic attacks.

So sorry, men seeing me naked is a gift not a right

"I don't think my father-in-law, the chap who shares my hot-desk, or my nephew are predators. I still wouldn't fancy showing them my fanny. And I'm a middle-aged woman who is comfortable in my skin".

Exactly. Or seeing their ducks .

Pinky let's park safety for a moment because you clearly can't see we are not saying "all trans are rapists" (or you can but it doesn't suit your agenda to see it). What about privacy and dignity?

Btw, not all men are abusers.

Pinky do you think it's ok for an 8 year old to have to undress or shower in front of a 16 year old boy who may be going through a period where he thinks he is a girl because he likes to wear dresses, or rhat 16 year old male body. What about girls and adult male bodies. Do you have daughters?

These organisations are really not thinking through their purpose and responsibilities.

Or their liability in the inevitable event of male bodied people committing offences against girls and women.

I’m an adult and I wouldn’t get undressed in front of a male. For children it is a serious safeguarding issue. Organisations have spent years and millions on safeguarding officers, training staff, policies etc etc and now we are going to ignore them for 0.1% of the population who think that their rights override everyone else’s. Councils etc etc need to wake up to this before we have a huge crisis on our hands.

It’s the lived experience that men are predators.

We deal with their abusive shit in all it’s forms from puberty, if not before.

I don’t trust men who are strangers to me.

I don’t want them in our space.

And I don’t understand why trans women aren’t supportive of women. Not just the TRAs but those who want ‘a quiet life’ who aren’t speaking out. I don’t understand why predatory men and the lengths they go to to access women and children isn’t more of a concern. After all, it is they that give trans women a bad name.

Wearing trousers, play a sport

I must be a dude

‘Not all men are abusers’.

No, but the vast majority of abusers are men.

Until they start wearing t-shirt with ‘ABUSER’ emboldened on it, i’m not taking the chance.

Trans = anyone who says they identify with the opposite sex, or no sex.

There is no need to change names, pronouns, dress style, shave, or anything.

If a person says they are a woman or a girl then that is what they are, and no-one is allowed to dispute it (or off to the Gulag).

Gender / sex dysphoria is not a pre-requisite, nothing at all, just a simple statement "I identify as a woman / girl" and that's that done.