AIBU in thinking British Gymnastics new guidelines are disadvantaging girls and putting them in danger?

[GColdtimer]

I have just seen the BG new guidelines on inclusion (here.

They go against all of their own safeguarding policies by saying that children should use the changing room of the gender in which they identify (so boys who identify as girls can use the girls changing room. Their own safeguarding guidelines state changing rooms should be single sex.

They then say if the girls don't like it they can go elsewhere. If an individual remains unhappy about a trans person using facilities appropriate to their gender identity, then they should make alternative arrangements

They also say the same for residential trips. And because privacy is of greatest important (although not for girls it would seem), a teenage girl (or her parents) may not be told she is sharing a room with a teenage boy (who identifies as a girl.)

This goes against all of their published safeguarding guidelines which says there should be single sex changing rooms, washing facilities and sleeping arrangements (for trips).

They also say children under 16 can compete in the gender they identify with. So boys can compete against the girls if they wish.

(Girls can also complete against boys but its highly unlikely they will).

Their guidelines on gender also, say Signs can appear at a very young age e.g. a child refusing to wear typical clothes of their gender or taking part in non- typical games. I'd better tell my short haired, trouser wearing, rugby playing niece that the leading governing body for one of the most popular sports for children believe she is actually a boy.

AIBU in thinking this is sexist and dangerous and BG should be held to account?

Thanks CarolDanvers
god it's sinister, isn't it?
Regarding MN: i do think we need regular gender threads in the more general forums- definitely!
are we supposed to be keeping them in the less populated "feminist chat"- preaching to the converted?
and this business of being a TERF- how can it be radically feminist to not want penises in the female changing rooms?
Jeez, it's not exactly a subtle point!!

It’s fine to be opposed to sharing a room with one set of vulnerable minority people not with others?

Many people are racist/ableist/homophobic but we’d be up in arms if anyone said “I’m not sharing a room with them, they’re gay”, yet it’s completely fine to do it with a trans person.

So some discrimination is acceptable.

See is a protected characteristic because many women have suffered abuse by men.

Women are not excluding transpeople. they are excluding men.

Unfortunatly just saying I think I a woman does not magically change you into one.

And no man would ever lie. WOuld they?

it's the penis that's the problem, Pinky- i'd feel uncomfortable undressing in front of a girl/woman with a penis so i reckon it might be a bit problematic for young girls, too

Signs can appear at a very young age e.g. a child refusing to wear typical clothes of their gender or taking part in non- typical games.

Omg, all this time and I’ve only just realised I must be a boy/man!

"So if your daughters decided they weren’t comfortable with a black/disabled/gay child sharing a room with them, that’d be fine?"

If they were MALE, then sure.

The idea that sex segregation is akin to racism etc is bonkers.

Tell you what pinky why don't you write an impassioned letter to the WHO telling them why their statement that single sex toilets are v important is akin to RACISM and must be shelved immediately.

It’s fine to be opposed to sharing a room with one set of vulnerable minority people not with others?

Many people are racist/ableist/homophobic but we’d be up in arms if anyone said “I’m not sharing a room with them, they’re gay”, yet it’s completely fine to do it with a trans person.

So some discrimination is acceptable.

It's about privacy and safeguarding. Your attempt to pin phobia on women concerned about their daughters' privacy and safety won't wash.

you could start by writing to this charity

I tend to be a lurker on this board, but as an ex-gymnast this makes me so angry!

And this even more so:
It’s fine to be opposed to sharing a room with one set of vulnerable minority people not with others?

Seriously?! In a situation where you have an 8 year old girl and a 15 year old biological male getting changed in the same room, you're saying the 8 year old isn't the vulnerable one??

you should write to the UN as well and tell them their ideas are shit

yet it’s completely fine to do it with a trans person.

It's not because it's with a trans person, it's because it's with a male in female spaces. Grasped it yet?

Who defines "typical" activities? top sports for girls is swiming, football, tennis, cricket. Are they talking about not liking dolls or pink? Or what's the deal?

I feel like the more organisations try to be woke, they end up bringing gender stereotypes backwards.

Way to go in order to encourage teenahe girls to do sports for longer!

Why? Why is a penis a problem? Your daughter(s) are around people with a penis every single day.

People keep mentioning “comfort” well again a lot of people are uncomfortable in the presence of people with disabilities, does that comfort come before the disabled person right to attend somewhere?

They don’t want to get changed in front of a trans person. Again a lot of people don’t want to get changed in front of a gay person, is that ok?

Pinky fgs what a ridiculous comparison. The normality of this country is sex segregation in situations of privacy, dignity, vulnerability and undress. Its basic to standard safeguarding. People with penises are not expected to strip off in front of people with vaginas and vice versa.

A disabled girl changing among girls does not go against the standard normal practice and social expectations of dignity and privacy and vulnerability for the other girls. It does not go against standard safeguarding norms.

You cannot say to a teenaged girl, it is not only fine but compulsory for you to never be allowed to change or sleep in a room with someone with a penis, because safe guarding, privacy and dignity but forget all that (and everything we told you about consent and boundaries^ IF the person with the penis identifies as a girl. Your subjective experience is identical, but as a person with a vagina your reaction should be wholly predicated on the internal state of the person with the penis.

Pinky not sure if you are being provocative or just a bit non thinking. I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

It's not the
"trans" that is the problem. It's the fact they are sharing with the opposite sex.

BG own SAFEGUARDING guidelines say clubs should provide single SEX changing rooms, washing and sleeping facilities. So thus new policy goes against their own guidelines designed to protect the privacy, dignity and safety of their members.

Exactly right JN if the 8yo girl has any qualms about stripping naked in order to adhere to the no underwear rules (still boggled by that) then she is a BIGOT, basically like a racist, and should find somewhere else to change, or stop attending that activity.

This is fine and normal as CIS people like that 8yo are very very privileged over people like that 15yo penis person, and can and do do them literal violence by not dropping their knickers and pretending to be happy about it.

Jbiscuits, what are they vulnerable to?

All you’ve got is your fear that trans people are predators. 70 years ago (and even later) the same fear existed around gay people, everyone thought it was ok then to, until we saw how discriminatory it was.

You have forgetten about transmen for some weird reason and also non binary people who have female bodies >> they are trans. I don't think women / girls have the same qualms about getting their cunt out in front of those types of people.

@pinkyU would you be in favour of making all single sex facilities (toilets/changing rooms etc) mixed?

MEN pinky MEN are predators

Dont; you read the news?

Pinky's logic has everything mixed

Prisons
hosp wards
sports
communcal changing / showering

Have you writted to the UN yet pinky to tell them what transphobic cunts they are? Chop chop. No time like the present.

Pinky did you read my post

Safeguarding guidelines everywhere say boys and girls should be segregated by sex after a certain age for their safety, dignity and privacy. BG itself says so.

What are women and girls vulnerable to from people with cocks?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm that's a fucking tricky one isn't it.

(97% of the people in prison in the UK for sex offences have cocks).

Safeguarding is a policy, policies are ever changing to keep up with new information.