To wonder why you would say 'No' to student doctors/nurses helping/observing your care?

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DD has been quite poorly in hospital with bronchiolitis. She's on the mend now and We can go home today.
Since we've been in hospital the care has been fantastic were so so appreciative of the nhs.
We've been asked alot if junior doctors and student nurses can help and observe our daughters care and obviously have said yes. 4 doctors checked her over for discharge today and while it took longer it was 4 sets of ears and eyes ensuring all was ok all overseen by a qualified doctor.
DH got talking to a nurse and she said alot of people do refuse to let them in.
AIBU to wonder why anyone would decline as those are our future doctors and nurses and they will never learn if they can't see and do ALL of the illnesses and problems that they will have to deal with. You can only learn so much from a book.

When I was 21 I had a DVT and pulmonary embolism. As there was no "reason" I was quite the interest and I was asked if I minded students coming with a senior doctor to ask.a bit more about what happened. It was horrific, they all.got the giggles and kept laughing when each other asked questions, so unprofessional and at 21 having been very seriously ill and frightened i felt very vulnerable.

It put me off so much that i refused students when I was pregnant..however o did have a student and she was brilliant. So much so that i readily agreed to students throughout my second pregnancy.

I think individual students working alongside experienced medical personal.but definitely not large numbers.

I've always said yes but it can feel like a bit of a crowd as they often pair up.

I say yes to students, trainee gps and trainee consultants for my own care and ds' care. Our gp is an excellent teacher and I trust her implicitly, we've spent such a lot of time at the surgery students have offten seen him several times in their placements. Ds' peads consultant is also an amazing teacher and speaks about ds' conditions and history with the greatest of respect. She has such positivity and doesn't turn ds into a very intresting case, just talks about him as a normal little boy. I hope this will work towards ds having ownership of his needs in the future. In fact extra people in the room are usually very useful in preventing his eacape attempts and helping keep him entertained. His had a very juinor doctor, who was in her first week during his first admission run a long case study on him.

Dd on the other hand would never cope with extra people in the room and it is usually difficult enough to get her to content to whoever actually needs to see her doing what they need to do. She found ds' initial admission to hospital when she had to be brought it too very traumatic!

Because I once had a gynaecologist exam in a hospital and said okay to the students and 5 of the fuckers trundled in to gawk at my nethers whilst I was in stirrups. And not one looked a day over 18, I did wonder if the were on a school bloody day out or something. And the pretty uncomfortable exam took longer because the consultant decided to grand stand and share his wisdom with the crowd and take his time. Well he would wouldn’t he, cos he didn’t have a metal speculum stuck up him so want in a hurry. NEVER again.

I said no to students observing when I gave birth and after birth because i felt it was a very private time for me. It wasn’t the greatest of birth but I got through it, but I had a horrific after birth (so glad I chose for only senior consultants and midwives to look after me at that point) and more to the point I really didn’t want every student looking at my very swollen sore downstairs bits whilst some consultant or midwife shoved there arm up me in order to get rid of retained placenta and stop me from bleeding to death. However post natal three days later I was more than happy for students to help me breastfeed and general give me help with my baby. There’s times to say yes it’s ok to do Obs and what not, then there’s times where students must respect the privacy of a patient and there family. It shouldn’t be an issue to other people if someone chooses not to have students in the room with them or not.

I regrets allowing the student doctor to my second birth. They were on their phone and the midwife actually told them off! She said “get off that or get out” so rude!! I would have said no to a herd of medical students definitely, that kind of intrusion wouldn’t have helped with the oxytocin I needed to stay in labour.

Haven't rtft. On the whole I tend to agree, but early in my second labour I consented to having a student doctor insert a cannula. Oh my God. Shr hashed it up twice on the first hand. My toes were involuntary twitching, she was hurting me so much. Then she went in the second hand. again twice, and just about got it in.

One of the most painful aspects of that labour was the cannulated hand. The following morning the cannula flopped out of its own accord.

Fast forward ten days and I had to tell my midwife that I could still barely use my hand. There was a hard, moveable lump in the wrist. She sent me back for an X-ray but was assured it was just thrombosed but received a call a couple of days later to say they'd identified a bit of cannula stuck in my vein.

So observations? Probably fine. Getting involved in my treatment? No fucking way.

It's my left hand too - I'm left handed.

Students are professional, bound by confidentiality clauses

I found a few mature enough to deal with things professionally but by and large I've come to the conclusion that 18 is for the most far too young to undertake a course of study in medicine because a lot of the students I encountered over the years are sadly very lacking in the maturity needed to handle such a course. I don't know if it's due the background of many of them or whatever but it's been my general experience a lot are in no way mature enough to deal with people in medical settings.

I think others have said it all but I’ll add my tuppence worth.

I’ve said yes 20+ times to various HCPs, including internal examinations in suspected pre term labour and during labour itself.

But I was a bit fucked off after a horrid week of illness in the gynae triage recently. I allowed the male student in and he stood staring at me in a quite unnerving way while they did case history and basic obs. he didn’t introduce himself and then after a few mins of staring he decided to stare at the ceiling and looked totally bored (and possibly quite hungover). He also looked at his watch three times in the space of a few mins

I thought his attitude stank and I sent him out of the room before my internal. He may have to learn but his first lesson should be to act respectfully in the room. It’s hard to describe properly here but I just didn’t feel he deserved to be in the room... I know so many people who didn’t get into med school and I don’t believe they’d have behaved like that.

I fed back the specific detail why I declined. The reg couldn’t have cared less.

I have a huge dental phobia to the point of needing GA, just before going into the room to be put to sleep two student dentists came to see me and placed the x-rays on the screen to look at, I pointed out it was placed on backwards and they sheepishly turned it around.

I was then even more freaked out and wouldn't even let them near me, never mind poke around in my mouth. I could have done without it to be honest.

I don't mind being asked if they can attend, but I really find it difficult to decline if they're already sat in the room when I walk in. I've had some good care from student midwives, but I think it should be an opt-in situation and not an opt-out.

I had a traumatic birth and said no students helping but they can watch - I was extremely anxious about the birth.
When everything started to go wrong, the midwife kept rushing in and out and I was left alone with the student, who was by far the best and most professional of the lot of them, so much so that I said I take everything back, you're the one I want! She delivered her first baby that night

When in hospital with a raging case of mastitis when dc1 was a newborn (talking boob swelled up like a bowling ball and just as hard!) I was asked if I would mind if some student doctors accompanied the consultant on his rounds. Sure I thought, next thing I know a crowd of about 11 people were in the cubicle!

After the birth of DC2 the dr who came to do the newborn check had a student with him and he asked if the student could observe me breastfeed. Sure I said, the student (male) was absolutely mortified! Having just given birth I didn’t really care

He may have to learn but his first lesson should be to act respectfully in the room. It’s hard to describe properly here but I just didn’t feel he deserved to be in the room...

I had one like that in my last pregnancy when I'd been sent to see a consultant due to my advanced maternal age combined with high blood pressure. I also sent him out. 'It appears I'm an inconvenience to you. You shall leave the room and find a way you find more beneficial to occupy your time. Good day to you.' I got up off the couch and opened the door. The cons was aghast. 'Why?' 'If you have to ask that, you are part of the problem.' 'He had to learn!' he fired back. 'And you are his teacher, not me. If I care to take up another job in education I shall do so but if and when that happens I'll have no hesitation in sacking off anyone with a bad attitude towards the clients.' He was a total shit after that but I still thanked him for his time and then complained officially about the both of them. Twat! And what bothered me most was I only had the ability to do that because I was of advanced maternal age with a lot of life experience. Someone else would have not been able to point that out and stop it. That's wrong.

I was asked if I minded two student midwives observing me with my third. I happily agreed and then promptly managed to give birth before they managed to get there, DD was in an awful hurry that day - 45min from first contraction to delivery. I was induced and it all went at warp speed.

FWIW, I did agree to students in the room when I gave birth to DD1 via mid-cavity forceps delivery. The consultant came in first, asked and told me she had selected those who would observe and that I could change my mind at any time. Each student came in, there were 4, and introduced him/herself and thanked me for the opportunity. No phones, no talking other than to ask questions. THAT is how it should be handled. You'll get a lot more people agreeing if you treat people as human beings and not cases.

Also had a lovely student midwife with DD2 arrived. Again, even though I was fully dilated upon arrival and gave birth less than 20 minutes later, I was asked and told I could say no or change my mind at any time. So I agreed and she did a lovely catch.

If the overall respect from all staff is rezpe6ctcul and appropriate, fine. When I had ds1 I dealt with 37 hcps from confirmation to community midwife doscharge, including three students. Provide some respect and continuity fine. If not, no.

Like Daisy it should be opt in not opt out.

Despite the cock-ups at DD's birth, I do want students to have hands-on experience, but the senior doctor must be prepared to step in if things aren't going well.

It shouldn't take 1.5 hours to sew up a vaginal tear, it can't be that large down there!

I’ve said no in the past. I was coming to the end of a fortnight stay and a particular doctor would never talk to me when he had students he would talk about me to the students. And I really needed a straight answer from him re my treatment so I said no to students that time and also told him why when he asked as he was initially most put out not to have his audience. He was really understanding about it.

I’m in hospital constantly and always say yes too. I remember when I was first hospitalised with crohns, I had about 6 or 7 students and the consultant round my bed. One of them asked the consultant what that ‘peeling’ was on my legs. He said I don’t know, gudgy what is that on your legs?

I’d had a spray tan a few days before and been too ill to scrub it off so it had started peeling and I looked like a potato

But yeah I had a student in the room for my section, observing when I’ve been on wards, taken bloods, everywhere really. I wonder if they record on your records how you receive students?

I also signed a form at my last appointment from a student doctor, who said NHS Scotland were now, with approval from the patient, taking any blood left over from blood tests to practice on at uni. I get them monthly due to meds so was all for that!

When I had my first ever (minor) op, I really liked and respected the consultant, who treated me so well and explained everything very clearly without dumbing down - I felt I was in excellent hands. Just at the point of going down to theatre she introduced Tim, who had pink-and-white downy-faced rugby boy looks and was evidently 14 years old, who was going to do the actual op. This was fine because of all the reasons in the OP. However, he was 14. I quailed inwardly.

A lovely medical student asked me if he could observe my ELCS. I refused but have always felt a bit guilty about it, while acknowledging it being my right to do so.

When I was a student, any student going into hospital was automatically put into the private orthopaedic rooms which were rarely fully used. It is a teaching hospital and no medical student was allowed in that area unless visiting a personal friend due to confidentiality; they had decided that no student should know medical details of another student that they may know, so no training rounds.

I have regularly had students in appointments as my GP surgery is a teaching one for three universities and I would only be bothered if it were something I felt was too personal or if I knew the student.

I've said no before. I was about 20, had to have a gynae appointment and I was dreadfully embarrassed, I just couldn't cope with the thought of more people seeing me.

Since then, the world and his wife have had a look up there for a wide range of reasons so I'm less precious.

I would say yes, having done two years of a nursing degree. I know that students are always watched carefully and two pairs of eyes have to be better than one.