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Partner doesn't find me attractive - how to deal with this? AIBU?

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Nerolily · 02/09/2018 18:23

I am six months pregnant and I've put on a bit more weight than I would have liked over the last six months. I've gone from a size 10/11 to a size 12/13 and obviously I have a decent sized bump to go with that too. I'm only 5ft4 so being almost 11 stone now doesn't look great on me.

My partner seems to love me but I don't think he finds me attractive at all. He has a very (media influenced?) idea of what's attractive in a woman: very slim, very fit, very young and very pert. Basically an ideal that's really hard to live up to.

He's no spring chicken himself. Late 40s, and is a bit overweight. I'm in my early 40's and currently also a bit overweight. I wasn't when I met him, I was 9 stone.

This would all be ok except for four things:

1 He often comments how unattractive women are who look like me or perhaps even a bit slimmer or younger than me, he even says 'ugh' at them. We see a topless sunbather on the beach who isn't totally slim but more pert than I am right now and comments things like 'I don’t think she should be topless. It would be ok if she was 19'. He used to talk all the time about how attractive very young women in their late teens or early 20s are (this was until I said how upsetting it was) he still makes comments about older (say over 30) or fatter (say size 12/14+) women being unattractive, and says how attractive much younger (less than 20) and much slimmer (size 8 or less) women are.

2 He loves to cook, he loves to eat, he loves me to eat what he cooks, he needs my approval for the things he cooks, it's a way he shows love and he has a vast appetite and expects me to match it. His entire day revolves around what he's cooking for dinner or lunch. He wants to impress me with his cooking and loves to cook big meals for us and our children. He gives me portions that are the same size as his, he weighs 1.5 times as much as I do and is 6ft.

3 He has stopped complimenting my physical appearance utterly and completely since I started putting on weight (a few months into our relationship) he continues to say zero complimentary about my appearance as I grow steadily more pregnant. Nothing, not one word. Nothing positive springs to his mind about how I look whatsoever. He used to compliment me when we first met.

4 His ex wife is a size 6-8 and has the body of a teenager. Very fit, very toned. She's older than me and frankly looks incredible. They were together for 15 years, clearly her metabolism could cope with the overfeeding and when he complimented teenagers in the street in front of her, she probably felt 'well I look like them too so no problem'.

It is eating away at me that he doesn't find me attractive. It's a fundamental female need as far as I'm concerned, that your partner communicates to you that he finds you attractive. Not only is there nothing forthcoming in that direction, I get a clear picture from his comments on other women about what he does find attractive. I don't feel our relationship has much long term potential at all if he loves me like a sister but doesn't find me attractive. I'm projecting a little in that sentence, but it's how he makes me feel. I have spoken to him about it a couple of times, and he apologises but nothing changes. I wish I was with someone who just found me attractive. I don't think I look too bad at all but he makes me feel so ugly and self conscious. I have been desperate to lose weight while pregnant but feel faint when I don't eat enough. I have asked him to stop cooking so much for me but he just gets offended. I don't know how to deal with it. It's breaking my heart.

OP posts:
Bluntness100 · 05/09/2018 17:47

Well eh, yeah, of course people wouldn't make those suggestions based on the op. You'd have to be really struggling with reading comprehension and critical thinking to do so Confused

tolerable · 05/09/2018 19:02

or very quick to draw a conclusion....i thought criticle thinking means theres more than one absolute possibility.."aibu "chat surely suggests that your at tipping point,in the heat of getting your view across,actual factual relevant details take a bit longer to surface.I.Obviously there were potential "flag"behaviours..but the assumption was he was the worst case to the extreme...she was given no quarter ,her positives were all pretty much disregarded and skimmed over ..as i read it...when she saw she was flogging a dead horse .her non .repeatedly smarmed at. i think a heap of strangers suggesting that cos her fella says-oh shes got a nice figure(about females,with nice figures..)he suddenly using her to get an in with her daughter or her friends and will run of with little misss titsandass and abandon her and the "poor child"..and in mass repeat style-it was actually brutal. reading.

Bluntness100 · 05/09/2018 19:17

He doesn't just say "oh she's got a nice figure" though does he?

He comments on women below the age of 20 and a size eight. He particularly likes commenting on teenagers, He negatively comments on any woman a size twelve or over. Or any woman over the age of 30. He negatively comments on any woman who looks like her.

He used to compliment her but has stopped. He comes home and goes on and on about a woman he saws body that he liked till she tells him to stop.

He makes misogynistic comments about women's ability levels. He treats his daughter very differently to how he treats his son.

Did you not read the op? What part of it were you struggling with which made you feel he just came home and said "oh she's got a nice figure".

I'm genuinely curious. I'm sure many others are too.

SlothSlothSloth · 05/09/2018 20:36

Sounds like tolerable is with someone like this and trying to justify it to herself.

And what “positives” were glossed over, tolerable ? Basically just that he was probably sexy in his youth (irrelevant as he’s not young now is he) and that he does normal relationship things like go to the shop for the OP and rub her feet?

OP even admits he’s sexist herself.

DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 05/09/2018 21:34

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tolerable · 06/09/2018 00:34

i did indeed read from the original post-as i have said..i dont object to the flag type warnings entirely.OP clearly defended and attempted to explain(or..at worst justify)her position and viw..and was shot down.i found it unfair..a.if youre all bloody right..but more so b)if she possibly over splashe the black paint from the off..and just really needed to feel the love. it seems very harsh to conclude on info given.i thought she sounded like she wanted to backtrack from the start and wasnt given leeway. to the extent it caught me enough to vent.seen all sorts said without apology-so im allowed opinion as much as anyone else is allowed to unvalidate it..or write it off entirely. As for your input @slothslothsloth i havent read anything and applied that "tone " to it since last got involved with the goings on at mallory towers...its exactly that twattery i can not understand..it doesnt sound at all like that...your little boxes imagination posted in the wrong slot with the snide attempt at damaging my view by pininning similar on my current situation. im not even gonna enlighten you-far less justify freedom of thought on a freeforall chat page.nasty is as nasty does...i said the repetition and grim outlook muted with the zact way you responded was brutal(the op was40ish,insecure,pregnantand...it coulda been storm in tcup,by way of self assess\retract severity of original drama.if you dont see where im at thats ok.

CantankerousCamel · 06/09/2018 06:50

It’s too early in the morning for the rambling illiteracy.

TheDowagerCuntess · 06/09/2018 07:22

Uh ... what ... ?

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Bluntness100 · 06/09/2018 07:56

I think she's trying to say the op was somehow very erroneous in her first post about her partner's behaviour, she wished to retract what she said about him. And that mumsnetters did not permit the op to retract it.

As such, she feels the need to vent at everyone. She also does not wish to discuss her own personal situation.

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tolerable · 06/09/2018 11:34

thankyou @Bluntness100. ..sort of that. tho i dont think she could really retract it....seems to me she left with more worries than she started with. Anyway.I'm not the equaliser and @dianaprincessofThemyscira am not the husband. i wasnt defending him in the slightest. ...and aye,i did feel the need to vent.

CantankerousCamel · 06/09/2018 11:47

tolerable

‘Venting’ is much, much more productive if you’re actually using grammar and sentences and all those things that make a post readable.

I’m no grammar prude but your posts are just a torrent of words with no structure.

MistressDeeCee · 06/09/2018 14:31

I can't really understand tolerable's posts at all. But if the gist of it is OP should've been handled with kid gloves:

More posters tend to get irate when kids are involved. In this situation there's a man upsetting his DP by perving over young teens, yet DP has a young teen DD (do you not see the connotations of this..?!) and doesn't think to herself fucking hell, I don't want this type of man anywhere near my DD much less me'.

Instead, the DP is faffing around trying to find ways to keep a man who's uninterested in her emotionally and physically because his interests in girls her DDs age. Do you really think he's going to stare at teen girls out on the street, but studiously avoid looking at OPs DDs body? Why on earth would he?

You're either her man who's found this thread or you lack emotional sensitivity. In both the OPs posts and yours, the DD is an unimportant afterthought.

Women who put men - especially nasty men - before the wellbeing of their own kids normally don't fare so well. As OP is now finding out.

Those are the breaks in life there's no point aiming to have a go at posters who aren't talking prettily enough about the situation for you.

Motoko · 06/09/2018 19:19

I don't remember her mentioning her DD's age. I'm not sure if she is a teenager. People were pointing out that she should be careful when her DD gets to the teenage years.

tolerable · 07/09/2018 14:06

I am,for the record..incredibly aware of my issues with writing/typing ,which i rely on patience of others to decipher.for those that do thankyou. i have no issue in reading and interpretation is fine,so think its twatty to tag me ,speak as tho ive left the room,admit to not grasping my point then continue as above...So. most posters getting irate didnt require explanation as such. i did not request kid gloves approach..Thats twice "being ops man"has been suggested. Am are not,i'm 100%sure of that.In the world according to MistressDeeCee the alternative deems me lacking emotional sensitivity. I disagree.and in case ive tangled that with words just want to make sure and get the point over,i think thats bollocks
I did get caught in rantsville. for pretty much the reasons described above. I'm not rejecting all possibility i've got it wrong,but the op complained of concern she wasnt attractive. shes gained weight,is preg..and includes her fellas ex's physical appearance n a few remarks hes made about females which suggest his "ideal"is slim,fit...she even leans toward that being c.o media. ...i dont care if i am alone in thinking it..but..she doesnt be outraged by this or indicate she doesnt share that view.just she isnt at that stage and is miffed. i never read her say anything about oggle,pervy,uncomfortable with,or any of the borderline hysterical end game.where they guys practically a paedofile.as created by possibly well meaning but still non factualy derived from a few- misleading-worse case examples have been assigned.and the interpretations born from them are transposed onto him. as i saw it,she realised she could mention sexist comments,that was enough to back up her request that the kind loving man paid more attention to her disgruntled state which,is actually more about how she feels just now than defining him...like i said.i may be wrong. despite which.if i had no morals or scruples..i would not care that the mass accusatory tone,suggests shes enabling this predator access to her daughter and is absolutely unfounded . There was no instance or example of even suggestion that was an issue. so i objected the advisorys to dispose of man and relationship and rose west her was shite.

Nerolily · 09/09/2018 23:00

Thank you very much for your comments @tolerable.

@all This was a totally bizarre experience that was ultimately only helpful from a few decent posts made by people who took time to read my posts without reaching for crazy conclusions. Everyone else wanted to dramatise the snapshot of some moments in my life into some sensationalist and mind-blowingly ridiculous scenarios with the truly most unkind and most self-righteous comments I've ever heard coming out of anybody's mouths! I think the vast majority of people posting on this thread should be deeply ashamed of the 'advice' they gave me at my weak and unhappy moment. The misandry on this forum is shocking. The vast majority of respondents have displayed an absence of relationship skills, a bitterness regarding their own experiences and an horrifically dark and cynical idea of what human beings are 'really' like.

Thankfully reading these posts helped me to realise I am perfectly capable of solving my own relationship problems and that I am in no way better off listening to a bitter angry pack of baying lunatics on mumsnet!

I honestly think mumsnet moderators should be deeply ashamed of the type of behaviour permitted by reckless angry judgemental people on this site. Thankfully after an emotional and hormonal few days I am back up to full self-strength and not only having a brilliant constructive dialogue with my wonderful partner, but also seeing this forum with clear eyes. I am not a weak person but was having a rough few days. I can balance my worries and thoughts and find sensible solutions, but there will be other not-so-easily-led or strong people who might actually listen to the reckless sensationalist words that are spouted on this forum, so please, for the poor women who come here for help when they really can't figure their own stuff out - Please be kind, please be balance, please do not be wildly judgemental, please ask for more specific details if you are going to comment something negative, please give carefully considered advice, please don't treat other people's lives like a soap opera for you to consume, please don't blow real people's problems out of all proportion, please don't enjoy someone else's upset, please don't horribly demonise someone you know almost nothing about.

There will be really vulnerable people out there, we need to be kind to each other. This is a forum where people are coming to you guys for help, that's a big responsibility to be taken seriously and handled with care.

I might just stick around here to balance out the vitriol and judgemental crazy talk, to look out for those having a really hard time and needing some kindness and a listening ear.... It's quick and easy to jump to dramatic conclusions and criticise and rant, it really takes time to think of genuine ways we can help people. Deep thanks to those people who took the time to do the latter for me.

OP posts:
Haireverywhere · 09/09/2018 23:17

OP you sound like you are in a better place in yourself and I honestly wish you all the best. I completely agree that there a lot of risks in posting on an internet forum as well as benefits from others' experience. I was genuinely trying to help you, not by telling you what to do, but just giving you an external perspective.

I hope you do choose to stick around and support others in a vulnerable place.

lowtide · 09/09/2018 23:22

I’m glad you’ve worked it all out op.
You didn’t give much info and people take you at face value. So perhaps you should think about how you interact with people in the future. There is a term on here called drip feeding.
This place give great advice to those in need, advice to those who are open and honest and bat away any crazy suggestions if they aren’t founded.

Ive read all your posts again and honestly, you made people think the worst. I’ve seen people struggling and they down play things.

I guess about half way through you decided to back track. Just read your initial post back to yourself.

I’m sorry that this great supportive place is taken up by drama llamas like you.

HTH

BlueTyger · 09/09/2018 23:29

hi OP, glad to hear you are feeling better and sorting it out.

I read a few of the posts and read no more - I also saw a bunch of nutty and bitter women too, jumping to the most unpleasant conclusions. The pack animal mentality, sarcasm and petty arguing is also v unpleasant.

I think the moderators are pretty rubbish as well.

But, most of all, glad you're feeling better.

mathanxiety · 10/09/2018 07:04

Ah, so it was just you being hormonal...

sanssherif · 10/09/2018 11:50

Yes, well grown men perving on teenage girls are horrifically dark.
Yes, we are all baying lunatics for telling you you are going to waste years trying to look 'young and pert' for a man who is likely to start fancying your daughter and who actively eyes young women up and down in the street.
I wish you the very best for your pregnancy but please don't blame the whole of MN (bar the few focusing on the 'language of love') for pointing out the SAME thing time and time again.
I would stay around, because this site may be blunt but it's bloody fantastic for women when they need support in bad relationships. I hope everything works out for you but bear in mind what people have said.

AynRandTheObjectivist · 10/09/2018 13:26

It really annoys me when people post about a situation in their lives, invite comment, and then get pissy because the respondents work on the information they've got. Which, in this case, all points towards your husband being a twat.

I mean, I'm not saying there aren't loonies on MN, but your husband really is a twat.

AynRandTheObjectivist · 10/09/2018 14:07

Oh sorry, your partner, not husband. But yeah, he's a twat.

Also OP, you're not the first woman to have a partner who's a raging twat but insists that he's actually a diamond in the rough and all other women just don't understand him.

TatianaLarina · 10/09/2018 17:44

The misandry on this forum is shocking.

Offs.

The vast majority of respondents have displayed an absence of relationship skills, a bitterness regarding their own experiences and an horrifically dark and cynical idea of what human beings are 'really' like

I’ve been with an amazing man for 20 years, while you’re hanging onto a teenage perving feeder. Some men can be trusted around teenage girls and some can’t, and yours my dear cannot. You’re either very naive or just massively in denial.

Good luck - you’re sure as hell going to need it.

Sashkin · 10/09/2018 17:56

It not misandry to say that your DP’s behaviour is disgusting, and not at all normal. Quite the opposite, you show a very low opinion of men if you think this is normal. I am your age, and do not know any men who behave that way. He sounds like an absolute pig, really revolting. My DH is not like that, my friends’ DHs are not like that, my colleagues are not like that. MEN are not like that. Just your dirty old man.

You really don’t need to put up with this.

Bluntness100 · 10/09/2018 18:51

I have to be honest op, I don't think it's misandry either. I've been with my husband since I was 20, 29 years ago, and I work in a Male dominated industry, and yes I've heard some sexist comments but nothing like your old man does.

In fact I tell a lie, I did hear one man drunkenly comment on a young woman in her late teens and the other men respond with " you've got a fucking problem mate".

And my husband compliments me every single day. Even when I look like shite warmed up he tells me I look lovely. And if I raise an eyebrow I get a very Scottish " what, I think you're a very Bonny lass" in response.

He's never once commented on another woman's body sexually in front of me. Either negatively or postively,

And that's not becayse he doesn't think I'm his " safe space" to inform me of his perverseness. I'd bet good money it's simoly he doesn't perv on teenagers and hasn't since he was one himself.

But you can kick and scream all you want at us. The bottom line is it won't change the situation you're in or what you know he is.

We aren't what's important here. What is is your daughter, your unborn child and you, and the life choices you are making that impact them all.