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Do we owe Mil this money

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Whatjusthappenedthere · 26/08/2018 19:01

This is not a Mil bashing thread as we get along fine, any difficulties in our relationship I am sure are mutual 😂.

Two years ago we decided to give up one of our cars. It was the one on finance and was hardly being used ( less than 4000 miles a year) DHs commute is quite short and very doable on his bike.
I need the main car for work and the children so it did mean he would be without a car most days but as we live in a town it was fine.
Mil didn’t like the idea at all. She likes to rely on DH for days out and some weekly errands. These are not essential needs as Fil has a car ( but works), she is not elderly or infirm and like us she lives on a really good bus route into the town centre. However, DH has a reasonable amount of time on his hands and doesn’t mind these requests for transport. He loves his Mum and is happy to help. They frequently go shopping together or have the odd lunch out.
So, seeing this potential “life line” about to be cut off Mil wanted to buy DH a car. She said it was because she worried about him commuting on his bike but we all knew the real reason (his brother has commuted on a bike for years and there was never any offer to buy him a car iyswim).
We declined the offer at first but she persisted and so DH found a little run around on line and Mil bought it for him. For the last two years it’s been used to take Mil on her trips and for DHs commute in wet weather and pretty much nothing else. Everyone happy as it seemed to be an arrangement that suited both sides.
Another recent change of circumstances means we really do not need this car anymore. ( to say what it is will be outing). DH can have my car to run Mil around anytime she likes so we have sold the car she bought and put the money towards a project we have been taking about for years. We have stretched ourselves a bit but honestly we just had a “life is too short / kids soon going to be too grown up to enjoy this new adventure with us. So we went for it a few years early than planned.
In the time we had the “run around” we taxed/insured/mot’d/serviced/changed tyres and fix a few niggles. All of which cost more than the original purchase price but hey ho.
Now the car has gone it’s becoming obvious Mil feels she should be given the money we received for it. It’s like the elephant in the room ever since we sold it. Comments have been made but no direct request for the actual money but it’s making me feel very uncomfortable.
I’ve suggested that DH just brings up the costs involved in running a car for two years that Mil has benefitted from. He says just leave it unless a direct request for the money is made. In the mean time I just hate the feeling this is being discussed with wider family members and we are being made out to look like CF’s.

So are we being unreasonable not giving this money to Mil. She’s had two years of free transport more or less on demand and will continue to do so for foreseeable future.
Final note, Mil is financially comfortable and not reliant on this money.

OP posts:
Faultymain5 · 27/08/2018 10:37

longwayoff did you read the thread??Confused The MIL didn't have a car.

Whatjusthappenedthere · 27/08/2018 10:38

Tyme out. I never said we sold the car because of the running cost. But in a family of 4 why would we service 3 vehicles and a when we can only use 2 at once. Parking around here is a nightmare. I’m lucky to get my own car outside the house let alone another one. How much we saved as a result of getting rid of DHs original car is personal info that I don’t need to reveal as part of this thread. But believe me it didn’t leave us “rolling in it”. I said how much the car cost / to run and it’s selling price as posters felt it was pertinent to the thread.

We will offer Mil the money, she will accept it I’m sure and we will pay it. I’m not a liar and those types of comments are just nasty. But I do appreciate the amount of time posters have taken to set out examples of how Mil will be feeling and how to tackle to dilemma.
But anyone else wanting to make snide comments feel free, I’ll just ignore them.

OP posts:
tinstar · 27/08/2018 10:49

OFGS - it was a gift! A gift made for the MIL's own benefit! She's been left no worse off than if they'd kept the car!

If I was the op I would drop into the conversation with mil at some point how fantastic and life changing the campervan has been for you all, but how you couldn't have done it if you'd had to keep paying expensive running costs for the car she GAVE your DH. I might also be tempted to hint that it needing some expensive work doing to it soon ...

And then I'd change the subject.

Honestly, it's ludicrous to suggest you give her the money you got from selling a gift - a gift which you didn't want and which was for her benefit. And a gift which cost you a lot of money.

My ds is currently driving around in a car we bought a few years ago when he passed his test. It's meant to be another family car but has gradually become his by default (ie he's always using it!). When he comes to trade up it will no more occur to me to ask for the proceeds from selling that car than fly to the moon.

HeckyPeck · 27/08/2018 10:51

We will offer Mil the money, she will accept it I’m sure and we will pay it.

Nooooooo! Don’t do it.

If your MIL had posted saying:

I convinced my son to let me buy him a car (even though he didn’t really want one) so he could drive me around when I want lifts. (My husband can drive and I’m able to get the bus, but I want my son to do it.)

He used it for 2 years to drive me around and sometimes drive to work when it was cold (although he would have been happy to cycle)

He then upgraded for a camper van and will still be driving me around.

I don’t pay for petrol/upkeep.

I’m quite well off, but he isn’t.

AIBU to ask for the £400 then got for trade in back and still not pay for petrol?

All the people who said you should pay her back would be telling her she’s being unreasonable!

HeckyPeck · 27/08/2018 10:52

When he comes to trade up it will no more occur to me to ask for the proceeds from selling that car than fly to the moon.

Exactly!

category12 · 27/08/2018 10:53

Except they're now paying the running costs of the camper-van, so they're in the same position financially as regards outgoings. It just looks like they sold the car and bought a luxury item, from MIL's perspective.

HeckyPeck · 27/08/2018 10:53

I'm not sure why but selling it and pocketing the cash without offering does indeed feel very cheeky fuckerish

Perhaps RTFT? They didn’t pocket the cash they upgraded to a better vehicle and will still be giving lifts.

HeckyPeck · 27/08/2018 10:55

Except they're now paying the running costs of the camper-van, so they're in the same position financially as regards outgoings. It just looks like they sold the car and bought a luxury item, from MIL's perspective.

So what if it does? She paid £500 to ensure she’ll get lifts for the foreseeable future. She still will. The only difference is it’ll be in a nicer vehicle.

Would you expect your family members to pay over a thousand pounds to ferry you about?

Whatjusthappenedthere · 27/08/2018 10:56

Thanks again heckypeck and Tin star. Flowers

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Confusedbeetle · 27/08/2018 10:58

OK this just needs a sit-down and an open and honest conversation with MIL and perhaps suggest, all things considered, that you offer her half the money you got for the car. Do not start you said I said conversation. First, listen to her take on the state of play and ask her what d=she things should happen and then gently state your thoughts and ask again how she thinks it could be sorted, It sounds like the relationship is fundamentally ok so don't spoil it. Hints are no good, simmering resentments grow

HeckyPeck · 27/08/2018 10:59

No problem OP.

Your MIL can’t really think that she should pay net £100 for lifts forever, whilst you should be down £1400.

You say she’s a nice person so I imagine if she realised the costs involved she wouldn’t want the money anyway.

None of the nice people I know would expect lesser off family members to spend £1400 for their benefit.

Twillow · 27/08/2018 11:01

HeckyPeck that reverse is fantastic! I did'nt think MIL was entitled before, but I certainly don't know.
But it may be a small price to pay to keep the peace.

CanYouHearThat · 27/08/2018 11:02

I tend towards the passive aggressive, so for me, i would offer to pay her the £400 in instalments, but then when she wants lifts, i would not be able to afford the petrol, (i may even go as far as mentioning why i was short of money at the moment), so would have to ask her for a contribution to cover the petrol costs).

category12 · 27/08/2018 11:02

So what if it does? Because it doesn't feel very nice for MIL and it's good to have cordial family relations.

The OP and DH weren't forced at gunpoint to accept the car in the first place & knew there would be running costs. If there was a problem with that, they should have a. not accepted the car or b. asked for help with running costs on top. Also the DH got plenty of use out of the car himself. Hmm

HeckyPeck · 27/08/2018 11:04

Because it doesn't feel very nice for MIL and it's good to have cordial family relations.

I imagine it doesn’t feel very nice for OP for the MIL to expect endless lifts for £100 and that actually cost them £1400.

Why are the MILs feelings the only ones that count for family relations?

HeckyPeck · 27/08/2018 11:06

Also category would you really not care if your child was down £1400 because of something you pressured them into?

Aprilshowersinaugust · 27/08/2018 11:09

If you feel you must offer cash to mil (I would not) send her links on how to apply for a bus pass.
More hassle than it's worth trying to accommodate ferrying her about.
Imo she is the cf.

category12 · 27/08/2018 11:11

They're full-grown adults, if they didn't want the car they shouldn't have taken it. It was convenient enough up until this point.

In the two years OP said herself that the DH used it for his own purposes for 50% of the time, so you're pulling that £1400 figure out of your bottom.

Nquartz · 27/08/2018 11:12

I'm sure there was a thread ages ago where the OP had given someone a bag of baby clothes which the recipient has then sold. The OP asked if that was.acceptable & the general consensus was once you give someone a gift it is no longer any of your business what they do with it.

Why is this any different?? Dont give her any money or even offer.

gingergenius · 27/08/2018 11:14

Don't pay it. Think of it as her money being put towards a better vehicle that she will still have access to via your dh. She hasn't lost anything. It's just been transferred to the camper van and your Dh's taxi service remains unaffected.

Whatjusthappenedthere · 27/08/2018 11:15

We didn’t have a problem running the car. We afforded that fine. But when we got the van it was obvious we couldn’t justify running that and the run about, not to mention the parking. There are 2 drivers in this scenario. 3 vehicles utterly pointless for our life style.

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Stillnotready · 27/08/2018 11:15

@category12 I completely agree and let’s not forget the undisclosed amount the family saved by no longer having to pay finance on DH’s original. Silence on this matter makes me think they saved a lot more than they paid d put for the runaround, which, let’s not forget, the DH actively sourced.
He could have sat on his hands, it’s not like MIL turned up with a gift wrapped car shouting Surprise!

TheConquestOfHappiness · 27/08/2018 11:16

It’s one of those things we’re it’s not what you did it’s how you did it. You should have spoken to her before selling the car to find out how she felt about it. Then come to a mutual agreement before acting.

derxa · 27/08/2018 11:18

We didn’t have a problem running the car. We afforded that fine. But when we got the van it was obvious we couldn’t justify running that and the run about, not to mention the parking. There are 2 drivers in this scenario. 3 vehicles utterly pointless for our life style. Well you should have given the car back then.

category12 · 27/08/2018 11:21

OP, the only thing I have a problem with tbh is people using the running costs of the runabout to justify why you shouldn't pay MIL. If they were saying it was a gift, end of, then fair enough, but this stuff about what it cost to run is such a nonsense.