Rise of measles

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www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/european-measles-death-toll-hits-37-after-antivax-campaigns-ztmwl9f3q

Just saying

I don't think I had the measles vaccine as a child (I'm too old but did have everything available including the small pox vaccine) I'm now immunocompromised so I can't have the measles vaccine.

Your child might end up like that. When they need it, they may not be able to have it.

You do not know who your child is standing next to in the supermarket or sitting next to on the bus. If you want to risk your child's health, well I guess that is up to you, but you have no right to risks anyone else's. You need to tell everyone that your children are not vaccinated then they can decide whether to let their children play with yours, invite your child to their party, sit next to them on the bus, serve you in a supermarket. But you won't will you because you think you are entitled to risk the health of those around your children.

So when your teenage DD is pregnant and you realise that you'd forgotten to tell her she didn't have the vaccine is that your fault @disclosingshite or hers?

Who do you think she'll blame?

Disclosing, if you were told that your children could no longer access certain public services unless they were vaccinated would you vaccinate them?

disclosingshite are you really this stupid? Are you aware that some people are not able to be immunised due to medical contra indications?

And what if she cant be vaccinated for whatever reason?

She's not allowed to have children?

@OhYouBadBadKitten

I am in the same position as you. Yes we are at risk but according to @disclosingshite that is our problem and we should protect ourselves (how I don't know).

I cannot and will not ask them to take a risk, even a small one, for adults I do not know.

But you feed them red meat? And drive them in a car? And go swimming in the sea? And and and and and and

You're even shitter than most people at 'assessing risk'.

Groan.

I do not think my DDs will be pregnant as teens (note I am responding to the ‘when’)

DD1 has had rubella already.

Pissed, no, probably not. I feel quite strongly about it.

noeffing, my duty of care extend to my children, not random adults.

Arthuritis I think that poster has already their position clear. They only care about their own children, and no one elses.

Ooo I know that one Arthur

You and your family stay inside a sterile bubble house. You are not allowed out.

Any contact with other persons is done through a window and a speaker box.

All food will be sterilised before entering the home

There you go. Sorted

I don't think anyone thinks their DD will be pregnant as teens, but sometimes it's happens and they'll need to know.

You don't even know that you'll live until your DDs are teens, so you do have a responsibility to them to make sure they know you've chosen not to give them a standard vaccine which they are likely to think they've had.

Fab! I've managed to make melodramas out of two minor infections this year that escalated due to my meds. What on earth am I supposed to do given that measles presents itself as a fluey cold to start with? Not go on public transport, no shopping, no work? just catch it and end up critically ill, tough shit.

I really hope I'm immune!

Well i'll say one thing disclosing, you seem to have the courage of your convictions. Its interesting to see how many anti vaxxers would simply because the idea of home schooling etc is not one they like.

As for the not getting pregnant as a teenager...i hope you're right & neither of your DDs have to come to terms with a loss due to catching a preventable illness

disclosingshite so you have no sense of social responsibility then. Presumably you don't need to avail yourself of any social advatages then - the NHS? Public education?

The point is pissed it’s something we’d look at in adolescence.

I don’t think I am an anti vaxxer (or Vanderbilt as autocorrect tried to change that to ) I am against unnecessary vaccinations, however.

You're putting other people at risk by refusing to vaccinate

Therefore you are an anti vaxxer

@disclosingshite

You keep saying it will be the woman's fault for not getting herself vaccinated.

Ignoring the women who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons, what about any children who your children might infect? Say a young baby that you visit who is too young to be vaccinated? How would you feel then? If your child infected say a baby cousin? Would you tell your sister or sister in law that there was no way your child was going to take a miniscule risk?

I also hope that your husband/partner is immune to mumps if you plan on having any more children otherwise one of your children could pass on mumps to him and risk making infertile but then presumably that's his fault for not vaccinating himself!

A young baby infected with rubella will be fine.

It's really quite disgusting to see so many posters rounding up on one mother whose only 'crime' is to make a different parenting choice to the majority when she's just trying to do what she believes is best for her children.

It is NOT harming other people. If someone gets ill because they have a compromised immune system, then they are ill because of their compromised immune system, not because a few parents have chosen not to inject their babies with something they don't believe they need. If a pregnant woman contracts rubella, then the problem is her own lack of immunity, not that of someone else's child.

Whatever your views on vaccination, I find it hard to believe that people think we should be routinely forcing healthy children to have a medical procedure that they don't need, and that their parents don't want for them. Giving a vaccine is an invasive procedure, it has to remain a free choice.

Not necessarily!!

Diseases have many complications and can affect in unprecedented ways

Plus there is a chance, that baby becomes sterile!

herd immunity is precisely designed to protect those who need protecting. However in the case of measles, it doesn't just harm the weakest, it has a really high incidence of severe complications. I think most of us in our forties and beyond know at least one person who suffered the consequences of getting measles. I know two people who are hearing impaired as a consequence.

I will never change my stance from the simple fact it is adult women who need immunising, not babies

They both do.

Yes, I would personally agree the potential risks from having measles negate the possible risks from a vaccination.

Sou,I know I am endlessly repeating myself but I cannot make my babies take a risk on the basis of other people’s ifs, buts and maybes.

It's not adult women who need vaccinating.

At the very least it is
just-pubescent girls who need vaccinating for rubella, and children of any age against mumps unless you're happy to accept the risks of mumps itself and risks of horrible complications.

A young baby infected with rubella will be fine

The pregnant woman that baby infects with rubella, will they be fine? Or their foetus, will they be fine?