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Rise of measles

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crosstalk · 20/08/2018 20:28

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/european-measles-death-toll-hits-37-after-antivax-campaigns-ztmwl9f3q

Just saying

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GinAfterBedtime · 21/08/2018 16:43

One of my friends told me that she hadn't had her children vaccinated.

Dd and I don't see her anymore - I'm not going to accept the risk they pose to Dd.

You may find that more people made that decision about you and your children @disclosingshite (apt name Wink) if you were honest with them.

Pissedoffdotcom · 21/08/2018 16:48

Someone down here wanted to take her 8 month old to an area in Wales during the last outbreak which killed at least one adult so was harassing the GPs for the baby to be given the MMR. She was really outraged when the surgery refused because she was exposing her child deliberately to the risk. Apparently they should be done for not protecting her child. Yet she was willing to take her child to a known outbreak area. Some people really are just idiots. And selfish to boot

disclosingshite · 21/08/2018 16:51

Sigh.

Mairy, my girls might decide never to have children.

If they do, and they are not already immune, they will be vaccinated.

The ‘But whhhhy?’ is getting a tad tedious,

Would you vaccinate yourself against a disease only found in Africa if you had no plans to go to Africa? No. This is comparative.

HelpmeobiMN · 21/08/2018 16:52

@disclosingshite

You say it is the responsibility of adult women to be vaccinated, not your kids. But what about adult women who are immunocompromised and can’t be vaccinated? Is it just tough luck for them if they’re infected by your children because you don’t want to vaccinate?

Our most vulnerable adults and children rely on herd immunity if they can’t have vaccines. If you chose to compromise that herd immunity by not vaccinating, you’re essentially saying that your right not to vaccinate trumps the well-being of another person.

scaevola · 21/08/2018 16:52

No, I've not namechanged, and I link the NOIDS reports to lots of threads about communicable diseases (have done so for years - I'm a rather dull poster on that). And I was copying the bit about number of cases just to tie in with the assertion, not as a direct response.

There is alwaya some discrepancy between notifications and lab confirmed, because not every case is tested (particularly not during an outbreak). The 'real' figure will lie between the two and it's probably worth noting that the number of notified (but not all) tested cases is several hundred.

disclosingshite · 21/08/2018 16:56

Help I will come back to my point which is that my responsibility is to my own babies.

I cannot and will not ask them to take a risk, even a small one, for adults I do not know.

EwItsAHooman · 21/08/2018 17:00

If they do, and they are not already immune, they will be vaccinated

And if they get accidentally pregnant prior to making the conscious decision to start a family?

Pissedoffdotcom · 21/08/2018 17:00

Do you follow the 'every man for himself' rule in the rest of your day to day life?

EwItsAHooman · 21/08/2018 17:00

And the risk of them catching mumps?

MissBartlettsconscience · 21/08/2018 17:02

Why are you giving them a risk of getting mumps with a 1 in 7 risk of meningitis?

Incidentally, my mother always swore blind I'd been immunised against rubella. It turned out that she'd got mixed up and meant my sister. As I conceived my children through ivf, they tested it beforehand and i was able to be immunised before conceiving. If I'd conceived naturally, i wouldn't have known.

If you're not going to get your children immunised against rubella as children, do make sure they really do know that they'll have to sort it out as adults before they think about trying to conceive.

Soubriquet · 21/08/2018 17:04

Well no I won't vaccinate for an African disease because that is in Africa.

I will vaccinate against diseases in this country because they are here and not in a foreign country.

Not at all comparable

Hoozz · 21/08/2018 17:05

Another deaf 60 year old here who had measles as a child.

disclosingshite · 21/08/2018 17:09

They aren’t going to get accidentally pregnant at preschool age, are they Hmm

It will be looked at again in adolescence.

Aintnothingbutaheartache · 21/08/2018 17:11

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarghghghgh😫

MissBartlettsconscience · 21/08/2018 17:12

They're not going to get accidentally pregnant as preschoolers of course, but you might forget about it as it's not really mentioned much after they start school and find that they're pregnant as teenagers before you got round to telling them.

There are plenty of reasons why you might not tell them about their vaccinations before adulthood and find it catches them out.

noeffingidea · 21/08/2018 17:14

I used to babysit for a toddler who ended up in intensive care because his mother fell for scaremongering about the chicken pox vaccine and didn't have it done. Anti vaxxers actually make me feel sick. It's their children (and often other people's children) that pay the price for their stupidity and ignorance.

Flashingbeacon · 21/08/2018 17:15

I’m only upsetting myself here so I should shut up.
What if your child ends up with an compromised immune system, lots of ways that can happen, then contracts rubella. A “safe “ disease that is suddenly dangerous. Why would you risk that?

noeffingidea · 21/08/2018 17:16

Sorry, meant whopping cough vaccine, not chicken pox.

Soubriquet · 21/08/2018 17:16

No they can't get pregnant in pre-school

They can however come into contact with a pregnant mother and harm her baby.

Which will be your fault

Arthuritis · 21/08/2018 17:17

If you are going to take such serious decisions on behalf of your children I think that you have to have a very firm grasp on statistics, data analysis and risk management.

Given that a PP is willing to take her children in a car " because it benefits her and them" despite the statistics showing how high the risk of death or injury are but won't vaccinate says it all really.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 21/08/2018 17:18

YANBU.

If your child is off to university next month and hasn't had their full course please, please please ask them to get vaccinated.

A question for us slightly oldies. I'm pretty confident I had measles as a child. I didn't have a vaccine though. I'm now on immunosuppressants. I mix with young people a lot. Do I need to be concerned? It's a live vaccine, so I can't have it.

chemenger · 21/08/2018 17:21

It’s not worth arguing with someone who has made a conscious decision not to hear or respond sensibly to facts. See the Dunning-Kruger effect for why.

MairyHole · 21/08/2018 17:22

scaevola, I know, that's why I said confirmed cases and asked if it was confirmed. Without that and only very mild symptoms how else could you be sure of rubella immunity?

Just asked because you seemed to be answering the question as though it were addressed to you.

Disclosing - asking repeated questions because you haven't answered them, but I guess that's all the answer I need.

disclosingshite · 21/08/2018 17:23

No, Sou, it will be the pregnant woman’s fault for not ensuring she is vaccinated.

My children cannot carry a risk for her. No way.

MairyHole · 21/08/2018 17:24

But the risks to them of meningitis, deafness, encephalitis- what of that?

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