Rise of measles

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www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/european-measles-death-toll-hits-37-after-antivax-campaigns-ztmwl9f3q

Just saying

@disclosingshite

Why are you focussing only on rubella?

Your children aren't vaccinated against mumps or measles either are they?

Plus rubella isn't always mild!!!!!

Just. Vaccinate.

A young baby infected with rubella will be fine
Not necessarily . Even a very mild infection can be very serious for newborns.

A young baby infected with rubella will be fine.

No. He/she will be at risk of encephalitis, meningitis, and thrombocytopenia.

You're putting other people at risk by refusing to vaccinate

It the same selfishness that leads to taking their kid to nursery/playgroup when they've had D&V and so on. After all, why should they care if someone else gets ill?

They will be vaccinated against measles, not mumps and not rubella.

I give up

No arguinf with those who refuse to see reason

Honestly, if you don't want to vaccinate then don't so long as you make sure that your children are only a risk to themselves.

But you don't see agreeable to that. You haven't agreed to telling everyone that they are a public health risk. Do you intend keeping them away from soft play areas etc?

Are you not concerned that during this outbreak your children are at a very real risk of contracting measles? What if they catch it before you can source individual vaccines?

Disclosingshite keep your kids away from me and mine then we don't want your disease

I cannot and will not ask them to take a risk, even a small one, for adults I do not know.

But you’re happy to force them to take a much greater risk as adults should they want children.

Curious logic.

I cannot and will not ask them to take a risk, even a small one, for adults I do not know

But you're ok with them taking a risk with their own health? You're fine with the risks of complications of childhood diseases, as well as potentially injuring others?

Yes, we will paint a cross on the door abbs

Well@JassyRadlett if Disclosing's DDs have rubella during pregnancy, she's very clear that it's their fault for not being vaccinated.

Yet another thread where anti-vaxxer's peddle out misinformation and refuse to listen to people who actually know about this stuff.

These people make me so angry. They have no real idea or comprehension of risks they are exposing their children and society to

In some states of USA you don't get into the public school system without vaccinations (or a medical exemption.)

In this country you could also connect it to receipt of child benefit.

I agree with abbs. I avoided my family who didn't fancy the MMR for their kids until mine were immunised themselves. I love these people but boy are they selfish.

@disclosingshite I wish you would. I'd make a conscious decision never to be around you or your children.

I cannot get rubella immunity. I have had the vaccine twice. It never gives me immunity. If I were to catch it from your unvaccinated child, yes it would be your fault if my unborn baby was damaged because I've done everything I can to make sure I am immune and because of selfish people like you I'm put at a greater risk.

What if your sister or best friend or DD's nursery teacher was like me? As you say, why would you discuss it? Would you be able to look someone you cared for in the face and say 'I know you couldn't do anything about protecting yourself more, soz about your damaged baby but my kid is fine so...'

@disclosing your inability to think logically about this is outstanding

It goes to show how different we all are, as to me it is very logical to avoid vaccinations that do not benefit my children

Well@JassyRadlett if Disclosing's DDs have rubella during pregnancy, she's very clear that it's their fault for not being vaccinated.

And if they decide to have kids and get vaccinated (because of course they will never have an accidental pregnancy) she is happy to tell them that she decided they could have the much higher risks of being vaccinated as an adult. That will be a good conversation. ‘I didn’t want to ask you to take this minuscule risk as a child, and instead give you the choice between risking rubella while pregnant and risking a much higher chance of vaccine complications as an adult. Ok? Super.’

It goes to show how different we all are, as to me it is very logical to avoid vaccinations that do not benefit my children

What is the logical reason for courting a 1 in 7 chance of viral meningitis and a 1 in 1000 chance of encephalitis, again?

$3.7 million has been paid out in compensation for vaccine damaged children in the US. FACT. This is an extremely difficult process and has generally only been given to most damaged children. This is not a case of no damage or severe damage. Adverse events due to vaccination are on a sliding scale from temporary to permanent.

Even the CDD state that vaccination is unavoidably unsafe. Why on earth would disclosingshite give something to her child to THEORETICALLY protect someone else when she perceives it not only has zero benefit to her own child but also carries a not insignificant risk

It goes to show how different we all are, as to me it is very logical to avoid vaccinations that do not benefit my children

They would benefit your children, but your complete lack of logic means you don't understand that.

Vaccinations would benefit your children, and their children and society as a whole. To opt out due to some crack pot conspiracy theory you've read on the internet is the epitome of selfishness

@NailsNeedDoing have you heard of astroturfing? It’s when a perceived consensus is manipulated so that people think the ‘general consensus’ is a certain way when it isn’t. I think that is what is being done on these threads.
Then people end up being terrified to speak out because they feel they will be mercilessly attacked by the mob

OhYouBadBadKitten could you be tested for immunity? It might put your mind at rest. I didn't remember having rubella as a child, though I remembered measles, scarlet fever and mumps. When I was pregnant in 1995 I was tested and found to be immune so I guess I did have it.