Rise of measles

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www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/european-measles-death-toll-hits-37-after-antivax-campaigns-ztmwl9f3q

Just saying

@disclosingshite I've read this thread in a bit of a hurry so apologies if I missed you answering this, but how do you feel about the statistics listed earlier? Are you not nervous about a 1 in 7 risk of meningitis?

The stats I posted earlier are here, for anyone who wants to see them

www.nhs.uk/conditions/mumps/

MissSusanSays

Brilliant 😂

Cathmidston - basic stuff: what's the difference between virus and bacteria? Maybe if you'd understand that, than you would understand a bit more about how we get ill and how illnesses spread. You would understand that not everything is down to lifestyle choices.

MissSusan 🤣🤣🤣

Risks of measles include

1 in 12 chance of ear infection and temporary deafness, this will lead to permanent deafness for some people.

1 in 16 chance of pneumonia or other respiratory complications.

1 in 12 chance of diarrhoea severe enough to require treatment for dehydration.

1 in 1000 change of encephalitis, this is a life threatening condition requiring ICU treatment and has a mortality rate of approximately 30%.

There is a risk also of developing a condition called SSPE which is a progressive destruction of the central nervous system and is fatal. It killed Roald Dahl's daughter in 1962.

Contracting measles wipes out T lymphocyte cells, destroying immunity to other diseases. It can take the body up to three years to recover from this, leaving that person susceptible to many other diseases and infections including ones they were previously immune to. The vaccine does not cause this same weakening of the immune system.

EwItsAHooman

Risk of dying in a car accident, even with seatbelts, 1 in 200.

Risk of meningitis due to catching mumps, 1 in 7.

Yes. I can totally see why you allow seatbelts but not the mumps vaccine hmm

You do realise you are talking about viral meningitis right? Untreated, bacterial meningitis is almost always fatal. Viral meningitis, in contrast, tends to resolve spontaneously and is rarely fatal.

It's not just stupidity it's complacency. Most of the current wave of ant-vaxxers have never seen a serious outbreak of formerly common childhood diseases and have no experience of the devastating effects they can have.

What makes me angriest is that some of the staunchest anti-vaxxers totally ignore just how much they have benefitted from being vaccinated as children yet they're prepared to gamble with the health of their own children. And for what? All based on a bunch of quack science and vague conspiracy theories about Big Pharma and the Gub'ment.

Some diseases we have eradicated completely and others we were so agonisingly close to doing so but now they're on the comeback.

Viral meningitis, in contrast, tends to resolve spontaneously and is rarely fatal.

I never said it was fatal, however it is an unpleasant complication for all involved and particularly for the person suffering from it.

And risk of dying in a car accident over your entire lifetime of driving or being driven thousands of times is about 1 in 250. It's not in any way comparable with risk of getting viral meningitis from one occurrence of having mumps.

EwItsAHooman

I never said it was fatal, however it is an unpleasant complication for all involved and particularly for the person suffering from it.

So why on earth compare it to deaths in car accidents?

Disclosingshite I'm female and contracted mumps when I was 4.
It's pretty much my earliest memory, feeling really shite and trying to get out of bed, but my legs not working..... don't remember much else.
I was lucky, I survived ( probably extra lucky as it was the 70's ). But according to my mum it was a long recovery and my personality changed to being withdrawn and almost silent for years. She missed the child I'd been before.

So personally I think it's a fucking great idea for wee ones to be vaccinated against mumps and get annoyed when the focus and worry is on measles only.

My dd got them as a toddler even though she was vaccinated. She was very sick but luckily no long lasting problems.
I think it should be mandatory that all children are vaccinated or no child benefit paid. ( obviously not including children who can not be vaccinated due to medical reasons )
We need a herd immunity to eradicate it.
I have baby dd now and there has been cases in my area.
Would they do the mmr early does anyone know? She is only 5 months old

But the stats do not show a rise in measles..... Fake news, non story, no effect to be traced back to a cause.

I am a child of the early 80s. I got both mumps and measles (I only know because I was tested before trying to get pregnant, as my mum hadn't got me vaccinated).

She says she has zero recollection of my having either disease....'I think you had some spots at some point' [hmmm]

Anyway, I'm not dismissing the disease and I recognise that it can have truly devastating consequences. Hence I have had DS vaccinated.

I'm in my 40s, so pre-MMR and of an age where we were vaccinated against rubella as teenagers.

Except I caught it about 8 months before I was due to have mine. I ended up in hospital and am completely deaf in one ear and have 60% hearing in the other.

People like you disclosing are fucking stupid.

I guess def of 'fake news' = "Anything I don't want to hear" ?

EUROPE. More than 41,000 children and adults contracted measles in the European region from January to June -- almost double the number of people infected with measles for all of 2017.

Last year was a record high for measles cases, with 23,927 people becoming infected in Europe that year, but numbers this year have already exceeded those figures. In 2016 there was a yearly total of 5,273 cases of measles.

ENGLAND According to data from Public Health England, there has been a steep rise in the number of cases across England in 2018. There were 274 cases in the whole of 2017, but between 1 January and 18 June this year there were 643 cases.

I'm interested to know if the immunocompomised people posting here go around telling everyone that they are at risk of spreading measles etc to babies, children, pregnant women etc, and do they avoid contact with other immunocompromised and at risk people, or is it only unvaccinated children who need to be making everyone aware of their status? Surely immunocompromised people, being even more at risk of catching disease (even off recently vaccinated people when it's a live vaccine) , are at higher risk of then spreading it.

only people who have infections can spread infections.

OhYouBadBadKitten

only people who have infections can spread infections.

Was that in response to my post? This is 100% true.

All of the immunocompromised people I know became so as adults. They had been vaccinated as children and for most of their life they have been protected.

Immunocompromised means that they are now more at risk of contracting communicable diseases BrazenFox, not spreading them.

My immune compromised ds is fully vaccinated. He’s off school and they know why, he hasn’t visited his cousins because they have coughs and colds and hasn’t visited my gran in sheltered housing. So yes he does go round telling people he is in precarious health. Nothing catching though. Thing is a easy to fight infection in someone else wouldn’t be in him.
Is like when schools and workplaces say someone has a serious nut allergy for example. They are skulking about desperate to get sick to point the finger, just trying to live through another day.

• aren’t skulking about, sorry rage typing.

I was vaccinated when I was 13 months old against measles (in 1964) and I was among the first children in the UK to receive the vaccine. I have 2 brothers,5 and a half and 8 years older than me,and I remember my DM telling me that they'd had measles at the same time when they were 6 and 4,before I was born. She said it was awful,they were really ill with it. So when she was offered the vaccine for me,she jumped at the chance. I have never had measles,although I have (unknowingly at the time) been in close contact with someone who developed it barely a day later. I'm now 54 and wondering if the vaccine is still effective.

This is an article written by the mother of a child with cancer.. it was written in 2015
this is the article: www.vaccine-side-effects.com/dont-vaccinate-to-protect-my-cancer-kid/
and this is an extract:
The most deadly threats for a child during intensive cancer treatment lie right within his or her own body. Immunocompromised pediatric cancer patients are far more likely to die from opportunistic infections that originate from overgrowths of fungi, mold and bacteria(7) than they are from vaccine-related viral infections. When I searched to find the last recorded incidence of a child dying of measles (because that is the hated disease du jour) while undergoing cancer treatment, well, I couldn’t find one. I did, however, find at least one death in the immunocompromised from the measles vaccine (8), with no indication of when it or they occurred. There hasn’t been a recorded death in the U.S. from measles in the past 10 years. (9) In fact, measles infection may actually be curativeof some blood cancers (10, 11), presumably by initiating normal immune system defenses. The measles virus as an actual treatment has also been explored in other malignancies (12, 13).