Rise of measles

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www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/european-measles-death-toll-hits-37-after-antivax-campaigns-ztmwl9f3q

Just saying

being vaccinated for rubella is of no benefit to her
Yes it is. Her lack of vaccine could result in delayed medical treatment should she present with a rash at hospital. You really don't want that, especially if you fear meningitis and septicaemia.

The Office of National Statistics publishes the number of notifications and deaths related to measles .. link below.

Measles vaccine introduced in 1963, MMR introduced in 1988, Wakefield in 1996.

There has been no increase in the number of measles notifications since 1996. In fact the overall trend continues downwards. There are some spikes but these are vastly lower than pre 1988 and also vastly lower than pre 1996. Even the number quoted in the article is extrapolated for the full year, it is lower than every single year in the data set except 2015.

I am genuinely struggling to see how this article stacks up against the government published statistics.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013

Had to get my 5m/o emergency vaccinated after exposure at a group. I was LIVID that he was exposed because other people have failed to keep herd immunity.

Cathmidston

I was 18 months old. Scarlet Fever when I was 2.

I was a child. I got childhood diseases. There was no underlying medical condition. Except for the hearing loss cause by the measles I am perfectly healthy.

Quite frankly, fuck people who think measles is a walk in the park. And fuck anyone stupid enough to listen to your self serving bilge.

The anti vaxxers here clearly have no interest in hearing the scientific arguments in favour of vaccination. So long as they agree to keep themselves isolated from everyone else they can stay unvaccinated.

What absolutely is not on is there insistence that they should put everyone else at risk. Didn't we used to impound people who were at risk of passing on communicable diseases? Maybe we should bring that back in light of these outbreaks.

To the poster who asked about individual vaccines - one of the reasons they were discontinued was because many parents didn't ensure the course was completed because of the high number of vaccinations required.

In this country we are lucky to have personal freedom but we have to temper those freedoms against our responsibilities to the rest of society.

Cathmidston the remark is utter B...S... because if it was true, a certain amount of the population would never ever have a sniffle, yet alone a more serious illness.

Infectious illness is very much down to the susceptibility of the individual. This susceptibility depends on the nutrionsl status, underlying health, societal/economic factors, as well as emotional and physical stressors

No, I guess people can't account for every eventuality.

I'm not benefitting from paying my house and contents insurance right now, but I'll sure be glad I paid my premiums in the event of a fire or burglary.

@Yivamoon I’m confused at what you don’t understand? This is basic stuff
And yes someone with excellent nutritional status, no underlying health issues and no physical or emotional stress would rarely if ever get a ‘sniffle’.... but I don’t know that many people with no stress or perfect nutrition, sleep etc. The ones I know who are pretty up there though, very rarely get ill.

Sooooooo Andy Twat Wakefield is going out with a very rich, very famous American.
Go Andy go! What a total shite.
You realise what’s going to happen here?
It’s all going to kick off again after 20 bloody years.
Hasn’t there been enough death and disability?
She’s got enough money to peddle his snake oil shite.
What she sees in him is another question entirely, slimy fuck

And yes someone with excellent nutritional status, no underlying health issues and no physical or emotional stress would rarely if ever get a ‘sniffle’.... but I don’t know that many people with no stress or perfect nutrition, sleep etc. The ones I know who are pretty up there though, very rarely get ill.

Evidence base, pls?

Thank you for answering my question, Arthur.

@cathmidson you really don't understand how diseases and illnesses work. Of course people with extremely healthy lifestyles are healthier but it will not stop you from getting infectious diseases. If you believe you can prevent these diseases through diet and lifestyle alone then you are sadly mistaken.

I bet you're a member of that bat shit Arnica Facebook group aren't you?

@Cathmidston

Are you insinuating that we should get rid of vaccinations and let only the strong and healthy servive?

Maybe the strong children would survive without vaccinations, but how many countless others would die or be left with long term disability due to getting sick.

Do you want to go back to Victoria times where women would have to have 10 kids just for a couple to reach adulthood?

I think people forget how serious these diseases are because they are not commonplace anymore. Here’s a graph of the contagiousness/deadliness of the main pathogens which cause human diseases. The closer the disease is towards the upper right corner, the more devastating impact upon a population. Measles and mumps are some of the most contagious diseases known to mankind. One person with measles could infect 15 others.
Now imagine the consequences in an unvaccinated population.

Antivaxxers have some truly selfish and potentially sinister motives.

2017, Minnesota.

Not malnourished kids. They come from a supportive community where most adults have had measles & tend to know how to manage it at home. 20 kids still ended up in hospital with respiratory distress.

Basically it’s all about stupidity. There are so many issues in this world that wouldn’t be an issue if some people weren’t so very stupid

My MIL is also deaf in one ear from measles as a child

Basically it’s all about stupidity. There are so many issues in this world that wouldn’t be an issue if some people weren’t so very stupid

I know it's called a Darwin Award if your stupidity causes your untimely demise, thus removing your DNA from the gene pool.

But what do you call it when your stupidity is so monumental that it accidentally takes out while swathes of the population?

How about the Wakefield Effect?

Oh then that’s stupidity gone out the other side an accelerating towards the horizon 😳

The Wakefield affect? Hahahaha 😂 well we are seeing it aren’t we? There’s always someone willing to listen to a pile of old shite

It fits, let's be honest...

I predate MMR and when I had measles I was so sensitive to light the doctor thought I might go blind. Luckily I didn't but it must have been scary as hell for my parents.

I don't know how anyone who's children can have the vaccine aren't given it.

New Dictionary Defintion:

Wakefield Effect (n)-

An action so stupid that it causes the suffering and untimely demise of large groups of people.

'Careful, Neil. That could have had a Wakefield Effect.'