Gender neutral/disabled toilets

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I was at a venue which had a sign up for male and female loos with another sign pointing to gender neutral and disabled loos. I went to use the disabled loo and realised that there wasn’t a gender neutral toilet at all, it was a shared gender neutral/disabled toilet.

Is this normal? I’m a bit baffled by it - there’s only one toilet and quite often it’s literally the only one the disabled person can access. Or they urgently need to get to a toilet.

I’m going to write a review of the venue’s accessibility (which promises to be great on its website then isn’t) and I’m not sure if this is totally normal and I’m just being OTT expecting disabled loos to be for disabled people?

Oh come on now.
Toilet facilities for people with a disability are there for a reason.
If you are a wheelchair user or have a mobility difficulty and need a pee you really shouldn’t have to cue behind someone who is unsure about their gender.
Flame me, I don’t care

I'd put money on any of us not knowing that we had a disabled colleague. Wheelchairs are not a prerequisite. You'd know if a colleague had crohns disease, for example, or had just been diagnosed with MS? Perhaps in a very small family firm.

Yes. Able bodied people should not use the disabled toilets. I am surprised that this needs to be said.

Even if it is the only toilet available?

When would that ever be the case?

Look, we’ve all had a quick pee in the disabled toilet if no one was looking and you were about to wet yourself but this is slightly different isn’t it?

Seren there’s a clear difference between one toilet being available in a venue and several toilets including a disabled loo being available. In the former, it’s one toilet for all, in the latter there’s a designated toilet for people with disabilities.

Disabled toilets should be for disabled people only. As far as I am aware no-body just decided to be nice to disabled people and provide them with suitable facilities, they were campaigned and fought for.

Anyone who wants toilet facilities that aren't routinely provided needs to do the same and start campaigning.

Apart from accessibility issues there are various medical conditions that mean a long wait to get into a disabled loo could be hugely problematic for them. It is not right for people who are non-disabled to be using these facilities.

I’ve been in cafes where that was the case, one toilet, disabled friendly.

And also aintnothing, if they are sure about their gender, they could use the toilet of that gender, mens or ladies.

If there is literally only one toilet in the venue then you have no choice but to use that one, clearly. That's not the situation that is being discussed here.

Accessible/disabled toilets are already gender neutral so I don’t see the big deal. And I would imagine that trans people already use them without much fuss anyway as they’ll be safer and/or less embarrassing for them to use depending on the circumstances. Live and let live people.

I feel very strongly that toilet facilities for people with disabilities should not have a post it note stuck on the side saying ‘transgender ‘
It’s offensiv on many levels

Yes postcards they are gender neutral for disable people, not the entire population.

Why would it be safer and less embarrassing than using the ladies and mens loos, postcards?

Live and let live people.

Oh yes! Us pesky disabled people should just put up and shut up as the facilities that were campaigned for so that we can lead independent lives are eroded and used by all and sundry because venues and providers are too bloody lazy to provide anymore adequate ones. Maybe we should just stay in
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Why is it that people cannot seem to understand that just because disabled toilets are gender neutral, that doesn't mean that they must also be for anyone who wants to use a gender neutral toilet? They are there for disabled people who cannot access any other toilets.

auntethel - trans women and men are at a very high risk of verbal and physical abuse from on a daily basis because if the way they ‘look’.
Including when they try to use public toilets.

Quite Assassinated.

I never used to think about disabled toilets much as I didn't need them. Then my elderly mum developed health issues leading to loss of sensation in her hands so needed help in the loo with unfastening and fastening clothing. I started looking after my friend's adult daughter who has learning difficulties and requires help with personal care. Then my sister developed a bowel disorder which means that when she needs the loo she needs it quickly. Then I started to realise how important they are.

postcards can you back that statement up with any evidence, links, research?

A gender neutral toilet facility for people with a disability MEANS
If you have a disability and need to pee, welcome! Regardless if you are a man or a woman.
We have built this ramp, widened the door and provided hand grips should you require them.
If you are transgender and have a disability, welcome also, we do not discriminate.
If, however you are physically able to go to the loo down the corridor, then bugger off

If I'm waiting outside the disabled loo with my wheelchair using, Alzheimer's suffering, doubly incontinent Father you can get there's some urgency for us to get into the loo and deal with the situation!

Of course we often have to wait, somewhat grudgingly when it's for a baby change (fully accept they need space but firmly believe it shouldn't be in a separate space, and obviously that's on the toilet provider not the baby changer), and in general I assume others using it have a hidden disability and try my hardest to to be judgemental.

Equally you can be sure I would be furious if we had to wait for someone who felt their gender identity trumps his disability. Women's toilets were hard fought for by women, disabled toilets were hard fought for by people with disabilities. If it so vital for trans folk to not use m/f toilets they should be fighting for (non-disabled) gender neutral toilets not taking resources away from people who cannot use other facilities available.

I think I saw this.

7 murdered in the past 10 years. 12 have been murderes. None killed in public toilets

Given that many disabled people require carers to help with toileting, and often that carer is a spouse or parent and the opposite sex to the disabled person trying to have “male” and “female” disabled toilets wouldn’t work - hence it being a neutral facilities for those who have no other option.

Actually disabled - couldn't give a shit.

It riles me FAR more than they are generally combined with the baby change area because this means space that could be used for an adult changing spaces equipment, can't be and so the venue is providing the bare min. of accessible facilities, but also because often the baby change facilities are even impinging on that bare min of disabled facility.

Venues SHOULD be required to provide a baby change facility AND an accessible toilet, the min. standards need to be increased.

Then I think they should choose wether they provide the traditional old school cubicles-in-a-gender-restricted-room OR, single occupant cubicles that are not gender restricted, and not in a dedicated room.

There really is NO need to have a large room that contains sinks and cubicles AND another large room that contains sinks, cubicles AND urinals, they could provide fewer but slightly larger self contained toilets with sink inside instead.