Jamie Oliver's 'jerk rice'

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Jamie Oliver has been accused of cultural appropriation for calling a new product "punchy jerk rice".
The decision to label the microwavable rice "jerk" has been criticised, because the product doesn't contain many of the ingredients traditionally used in a Jamaican jerk marinade.

What we think of this?! As someone of Caribbean descent, who loves jerk, and raised an eyebrow when I looked at the ingredients, I couldn't help but raise an eyebrow... not offended, just baffled!

AIBU to think that if you create something new, you call it something new...?

Vladmirs. And that’s exactly why you can’t take your posts seriously.

I can assure you I do. That's why I have spent time writing out mammoth posts. And if this is your only response to them it surely shows you clearly can't fathom a decent response.

PerpendicularVincent I have put the wrong name in there I was meaning VladmirsPoutine apologies.

Same as any women.

No it isn't @toomanychilder women are as a category criticised and we face a lot of misogyny and shit in our lives by virtue of being women but it's not just as simple as 'all women' go through it. Ethnic women suffer things white women don't.

rainbow, i have experienced racism on a number of occasions. You can't make a sweeping statement that it doesn't happen.

One example: at a former workplace, I was called 'the little white girl'. No one else had to make the tea or tidy everyone's desks - just me, by virtue of the colour of my skin.

Example 2: I was told that whilst my work was excellent, I couldn't be offered a job in a law firm because I wasn't a member of a particular ethnic group.

It may be simplistic, but I couldn't give a shit about skin colour/ethnic background and wish everyone was treated well at all times.

So jerk rice IS a thing if Levi Roots makes it but it definitely, 100% isn’t a thing just because JO made it?

YES (response of VladmirsPoutine)

That is racism.

I often look at the giant threads on here about how you should have 'tea and scones' - is it Jam or Cream first and so forth. I often think lucky them

Um, why? You think because people might talk about jam and cream they have no problems, no issues, face no discrimination or difficulties?
Funny, your posts don't read as someone that stupid.

I often look at the giant threads on here about how you should have 'tea and scones' - is it Jam or Cream first and so forth. I often think lucky them.

How can you possibly have any idea what their actual lives are like? Or what race they are.

Black and Indian women use skin lightening products and this is a booming industry particularly in Africa and India.

It has always been a big industry fuelled by fashion & cosmetics companies as well as ingrained prejudices & perceptions which exist in those countries themselves. Similarly there is prolific use of sunbeds and tanning products in the West. Being lighter in skin colour on one hemisphere is seen as attractive as being darker in skin colour on the other.

But the fact you say that Levi Roots could market “jerk rice” & that’s okay more-power to-his-elbow has seriously undermined every point you’ve previously made about it on this thread. I’ve RTFT.

Soup Don't get me wrong - I don't have any idea of for example your race. Or anyone's struggles and so forth.

I as a mixed-race woman only talk from my experience and I will say it again - yes a lot of women and people in general suffer a lot in life due to their circumstances but I will repeat it again; being born white is, in and of itself, a privilege. Yes you might have been abused, have parents that don't give a shit and generally have a shitty life; white working class boys whom under-perform, for example. But being born white gives a person a particular privilege that the rest of us don't get.

but I will repeat it again; being born white is, in and of itself, a privilege. Yes you might have been abused, have parents that don't give a shit and generally have a shitty life; white working class boys whom under-perform, for example. But being born white gives a person a particular privilege that the rest of us don't get

And I'll say it again. Bollocks. There are plenty of black people with far more privilege than white people, and its offensive to suggest otherwise.

White working class boys are currently the most disadvantaged group at school. So much for white privilege.

@Botanicbaby Fair enough if that's what you think. I personally do not find it 'fashionable' or 'cosmetic' when ethnic women are using creams that might land them with life long health problems. Neither do I think it is acceptable for white women to do the same with regards to tanning beds. The issue is literally that to be white is to have a certain privilege not given to non-white people. I made the point about Levi because I only wish him success - men like him usually end up in low-paid employment or unemployment in the UK, with quite a few mental health issues toboot which is still an area not discussed enough in our community. In the U.S men like him probably would end up in jail if not being shot from the get go.

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There are plenty of black people with far more privilege than white people, and its offensive to suggest otherwise.

No it isn't. I'm sure there are quite a few black millionaires living the dream. On balance I wonder how many white people doing the same there are?

There is not that parity. It is incorrect to suggest otherwise.

Do you think it is somehow just random how even the first 'black' president of the U.S is actually half white. And how racially driven his presidency was?

I don't care what anyone says about the issue. Being black is oftentimes an occupational hazard of living life.

Of course there isn't parity but you know as well as I do that there are poc with plenty of privilege and caucasians with none. You know that.

And I'll say it again. Bollocks. There are plenty of black people with far more privilege than white people, and its offensive to suggest otherwise.

Isn't white privilege the fact that you've been born white in the first place? That you have an advantage straight off bat from birth in that respect? No oppression. Nothing to do with privilege from a money/material/ background sense, surely?

@toomanychilder Then you're just repeating to me what I have just said. You said there isn't parity which is what I said. There are people of colour that have a lot more than white people - I know that! But I'm talking about (white) privilege. Don't go down that road with me. I know too much about it.

Isn't white privilege the fact that you've been born white in the first place? That you have an advantage straight off bat from birth in that respect? No oppression

But who is to say there is no oppression because you are white? What about marginalised groups...are Roma people white for example? Are they privileged and without any inborn oppression? What advantage does a white Roma child born into poverty have that a black child born into a middle class family in Hampstead does not have?

Cultural appropriation my arse. White privilege my arse. No one blinks an eye about the evolution of European dishes. Only today I walked passed a pack of chococcino muffins. I didn't hear any social media furore about the Italians having their morning cuppa bastardised. its about as sane as saying that Jack Whitehall can't play a gay man because he's a heterosexual. It's about as sensible as forcing women only spaces to become unisex. It's an erosion of open discourse, a ripening culture of blame and division, it's a culture of outrage that is boring and predictable and baseless. No one cares if Beyoncé straightens her hair and dyes it blonde but Kim Kardashian is pilloried for dreadlocks. Food is constantly evolving, chefs take inspiration from so many places. Trying to turn RICE into another political football is laughable. But then so is a world in which a television personality had become arguably the most powerful politician on the planet.

Going back to the Cornish pasty thing, why is it ok to go to the extent of protecting a name? If the person making it is inspired by the Cornish pasty, why can't they call it a Cornish pasty regardless of where they make it?

Sausage and spaghetti refer to the shape. A swimming pool noodle is made of foam and there is no rice in cauliflower rice...

Did Eminem CA rapping and music style?

Or is it OK if it’s done well (eg Eminem, british style chicken tikka masala), but not if the results are naff (eg Vanilla Ice, JOliver rice)?

They may well be able to post Brexit, dame squashalot.

So jerk rice IS a thing if Levi Roots makes it but it definitely, 100% isn’t a thing just because JO made it?

YES

But I would have thought NO if it was the same ingredients as JO's... i.e there is no Jerk spice in it (although I'm sure that's not something Levi Roots would miss and I'm still none the wiser after 23 pages how you can jerk rice anyway).

I don't think you can in all honesty take a black millionaire and say 'well he has it better than this white kid in Newcastle'. It doesn't work that way.

Idirs Elba as an actor being discussed as inappropriate as playing James Bond as Bond should be white.

Black men seeking out white women or light-skinned women to be seen as a success.

White women seeking out black men for their sexuality.

Black men MORE marginalised in life - being arrested and stopped and searched by virtue of being black.

The Windrush generation.

Being black is fucking difficult. And whats even worse is justifying that to white people.

And it's not a competition before anyone asks me about Jews.

Being born black is a life risk.

I don't have any idea of for example your race. Or anyone's struggles and so forth.

Then your comment about the scone thread is utterly ridiculous. You can’t possibly know whether they deserve a “lucky them” comment. Some will have suffered racisism, be suffering from prejudice or just going through shit. It doesn’t stop people posting inconsequential stuff.