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To think that this massive women’s rights issue is going under the radar. (As it’s being hidden from them.)

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Carrrotsandcauliflower · 19/08/2018 21:43

So AIBU to think that this massive women’s rights issue is going under the radar?
Excuse the length of this post ...A couple of days ago I was wasting time on Facebook. When I had a nose at the Lib Dem local home page in my area. They had a poster photographed in one post. The poster reads as follows; ( I can’t post a picture of the post.)

“WOMEN
Did you know that there are men,
Who have assaulted & raped women housed in U.K. women’s prisons because they claim to be women?
Did you know that groups are going into schools & telling kids they can ‘choose’ wether to be a boy or a girl & that these groups receive children in need and lottery funding??
Did you know that proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act will mean that a man is allowed into women’s spaces (changing rooms, sports teams, swimming sessions) just by declaring himself to be a woman?
Want to know more? CHECK OUT
@Man FRIDAY,@transgenderTrd @womansplaceuk @resisters @lillylilymainard @ sexfenderethics”

So...they have made the point that they think this is not acceptable. Also that is transphobic. They have asked anybody who sees the posters to remove them.
I commented that I didn’t think it was transphobic, because it contained no openly aggressive or hateful rhetoric. I then decided to follow the twitter link thingies and have a read to see what was all the fuss about. Still not finding anything phobic. I went back to the Facebook page and said- I’ve followed the links which (briefly) amongst other things talk about how women are worried about giving away their safe spaces to trans men who may be attracted to women depending on their nature. Like toilets changing rooms etc.
So there followed me being told I must be transphobic. Because I had that worry. That even just wondering about wether it was safe to allow trans men into women’s private spaces was transphobic. I wasn’t happy but I didn’t get abusive. I replied with a link to Jenifer James’s campaign. They hid my comments, and then named me. Then went on to say I was disgusting. Transphobic, and a bigot. Nobody had any idea what I had actually said as it was hidden. Luckily as I was the first to speak I was able to delete my first comment and stop myself being painted as some kind of head case.
A day or so later I decided now that I was feeling a bit freaked out at feeling I’d been shut down harshly to have a look on the feminism forum here. I have posted in the feminism activism area on the feminism forum. I can’t link as it breaks the forum rules. ( I think this is ok though.) go and have a look about a thread mentioning posters popping up around Bromley..

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longwayoff · 22/08/2018 07:39

Pamster, its utterly bewildering isn't it? I can only conclude that this agenda has snuck to the top as the majority of people notice it, if at all, on the periphery of things, think 'ok, not me, get on with it, goodbye' and it doesn't seem important enough to worry about so hasn't garnered sufficient opposition. I've paid it scant attention prior to this thread which has alarmed me a lot. But the l ack of opposition from the usual suspects -Daily Mail? - is odd and inexplicable.

Carrrotsandcauliflower · 22/08/2018 08:23

I was having this conversation yesterday too- and we decided that the faction onntrans who are pushing this agenda have managed to lump all trans people into one camp, shouting trans women are women over and over like they’re are one massive suppressed group has made them seem like that. But not for much longer.

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Carrrotsandcauliflower · 22/08/2018 08:24

Sorry *of trans.

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nauticant · 22/08/2018 08:29

The Daily Mail does report stories from time to time that are critical of this trans ideology, for example violent or sex offending transwomen (who have not undergone sex reassignment surgery) being put in women's prisons, but they are very wary of making a clear stand. Apart from stories that strange and unwise things are happening, I can't recall them doing a big investigative piece.

Imagine that! The Daily Mail are actually afraid of making clear where they stand. I can't imagine them being afraid like this on any other issue. There is some real power and influence at work here.

longwayoff · 22/08/2018 08:53

The lack of 'outraged of tunbridge wells' voices makes me very suspicious. That, together with the be-merkined forward troops who would appear to me to properly belong at the side of Tommy Atkins and friends, makes me doubly suspicious. I can only conclude its funding is part of the destabilization of the West in which confusion and lies pass for truth until we doubt everything and know nothing. Then we'll believe anything.

PamsterWheel · 22/08/2018 09:00

Ironically the Daily Mail is more on it than other media outlets - never thought I'd be nodding my head to them occasionally.

To coin an old phrase of theirs, essentially it is political correctness gone mad 😕

I think we - humanity - are in a process of undoing ourselves.

longwayoff · 22/08/2018 09:15

O god pamster, we're looking to the bloody Mail for guidance. Things are definitely going amiss. Nothing is looking good.

nauticant · 22/08/2018 09:22

I don't look to the Daily Mail for guidance. But if I see a Daily Mail link recommended by someone sensible, click on the link, and see something I agree with, I don't beat myself up over it. I've decided to put whether something is right ahead of whether I approve of who is saying it.

Spanglylycra · 22/08/2018 10:38

I've just done the consultation

consult.education.gov.uk/government-equalities-office/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act/consultation/intro/

I don't fully understand this subject but it does scare me not only the issues for women but especially for children and their mental health and safeguarding. I'd be really interested to know the figures on it though - how many people do self ID and how many actually have surgery? There is certainly a vocal minority but is the reality of them large enough to be concerned about? (Either way I'm concerned but keen to understand scale).

Accidents · 22/08/2018 12:05

Human rights, free speech, child protection and feminist issue. Magdeline burns.

MipMipMip · 22/08/2018 21:13

I think this has got so far for two reasons.

One, people don't know the reality. They see it as the few people who change genitalia and just want to live quietly.
I support those people too and hate that they are being caught up in this. A lot of people just don't know different.

Obviously ministers and such don't have that excuse. I think they are just terrified of being called bigots or anything-phobic. I can understand it - careers have been ruined for less. And TRAs aren't exactly shy of screaming discrimination.

There are of course some who really do think it will be all right and that everyone should be allowed to do what they want. It would be interesting to know how they would feel if they had had some of the experiences you see on these boards.

Ereshkigal · 23/08/2018 13:43

how many people do self ID and how many actually have surgery?

Hardly any have surgery. GIRES estimate less than 5% of the trans population have currently done so.

MorrisonsBakery · 23/08/2018 13:45

Threads are being zapped in feminism chat that mention the Green party and links to a recent 22year conviction.

Ereshkigal · 23/08/2018 13:47

I guess there's a legal issue with linking people.

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