To think that this massive women’s rights issue is going under the radar. (As it’s being hidden from them.)

[Carrrotsandcauliflower]

So AIBU to think that this massive women’s rights issue is going under the radar?
Excuse the length of this post ...A couple of days ago I was wasting time on Facebook. When I had a nose at the Lib Dem local home page in my area. They had a poster photographed in one post. The poster reads as follows; ( I can’t post a picture of the post.)

“WOMEN
Did you know that there are men,
Who have assaulted & raped women housed in U.K. women’s prisons because they claim to be women?
Did you know that groups are going into schools & telling kids they can ‘choose’ wether to be a boy or a girl & that these groups receive children in need and lottery funding??
Did you know that proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act will mean that a man is allowed into women’s spaces (changing rooms, sports teams, swimming sessions) just by declaring himself to be a woman?
Want to know more? CHECK OUT
@Man FRIDAY,@transgenderTrd @womansplaceuk @resisters @lillylilymainard @ sexfenderethics”

So...they have made the point that they think this is not acceptable. Also that is transphobic. They have asked anybody who sees the posters to remove them.
I commented that I didn’t think it was transphobic, because it contained no openly aggressive or hateful rhetoric. I then decided to follow the twitter link thingies and have a read to see what was all the fuss about. Still not finding anything phobic. I went back to the Facebook page and said- I’ve followed the links which (briefly) amongst other things talk about how women are worried about giving away their safe spaces to trans men who may be attracted to women depending on their nature. Like toilets changing rooms etc.
So there followed me being told I must be transphobic. Because I had that worry. That even just wondering about wether it was safe to allow trans men into women’s private spaces was transphobic. I wasn’t happy but I didn’t get abusive. I replied with a link to Jenifer James’s campaign. They hid my comments, and then named me. Then went on to say I was disgusting. Transphobic, and a bigot. Nobody had any idea what I had actually said as it was hidden. Luckily as I was the first to speak I was able to delete my first comment and stop myself being painted as some kind of head case.
A day or so later I decided now that I was feeling a bit freaked out at feeling I’d been shut down harshly to have a look on the feminism forum here. I have posted in the feminism activism area on the feminism forum. I can’t link as it breaks the forum rules. ( I think this is ok though.) go and have a look about a thread mentioning posters popping up around Bromley..

""As you say, years ago no one batted an eyelid if a transwoman was in the ladies""

They were once labeled Transsexual and felt that they were born into the wrong body and that was possible. Many, after Counselling etc, lived as the sex they felt they were, then went for surgery/medication to complete their journey.

Now it's Transgender that Women are up against.

Feminism has been fighting since it began to show that Gender is created by the Patriarchy and as such isn't real. We were doing OK breaking out of Gender roles.

Then came the Transgender movement. Who tell us that Gender is all that counts and we have Men telling us what it is like to feel like a Woman and the issues that they experience, because they are Women. How they are equal to Women and as such should be allowed to compete and be treated/thought of/classified as Women.

Another scary aspect is medical research.

In regards to conditions that both sexes can have, heart disease/lung issues etc and the treatment, it has always been better researched for Men. So legislation was bought out that the research had to have a more equal basis. Now we have Men self identifying as Women, that problem is solved, without having to include more 'born Female' research subjects.

So Women will go back to having second rate Care again. Recent research showed that Women have a better chance of survival/good recovery if they see a female Consultant at the start.

Give it a few years and that sex bias will be eliminated because the 'Female Consultant' won't be Female, so problem solved, but the unnecessary deaths of Women will continue. But the figures won't show that, because all is needed is a few self-identifiers in the numbers and they will look equal.

Well written @argumentativefeminist

Exactly what most of us are feeling.

StealthSquirrelNutkin - I applaud your excellent post, thank you!
It's horrifying, what is happening.
Although I've been told this has been around for a while, I only saw it the first time this week and it is just beyond all sanity (as if the other stuff wasn't already) - WHEN will people wake up to the steady erosion of women as people, of women's rights (I am, of course, talking about biological women born with female genitalia)?
The picture is taken from this link assets2.hrc.org/files/assets/resources/Trans_Safer_Sex_Guide_FINAL.pdf

Like StealthSquirrel, I too used to think "let transwomen be who they want to be" - but not at the expense of non-trans women! Which is exactly what is happening.

Let's be clear - when we talk about the risk of men self-identifying as women and gaining access to all areas, we are not saying that "all transwomen are predatory males". That is logical fallacy. What we ARE saying is that "some predatory males will use their ability to self-ID as a transwoman to gain access to previously safe spaces for women". And this has happened already.
We are not concerned about genuine transwomen who want to live their lives quietly, we are concerned about the thuggish TRAs who want to eradicate born women and take over their spaces, their rights and their identities.

I am so glad I don't have daughters who will have to deal with the upcoming level of shit, if all this GRA stuff does go through. SO glad.

As a woman I don’t know which party to support anymore.

I can't imagine there are many MNetters (unless they're new) that aren't aware of this. There have been hundreds of threads over what? 4 years now? Plus all the threads calling for it's own topic.

It's only very recently that I've not seen thread after thread in AIBU and chat. It still dominates the FWR boards though.

Thanks stealth, that has explained things exceptionally well. I'm a woman, feminist but not a lesbian. I have found the attention paid to trans issues frankly bewildering in view of the miniscule percentage of population that they represent. I dont want to share womens spaces with men. I strongly object to misogyny being celebrated and excused because a male declares himself female. This movement is simply fascistic and women should resist this continuation of centuries of misogynistic demands. Trans have their place but it should not be at the expense of all other women.

@stealthsquirrelnutkin I wish we could pin your post to the top of the feminism board. As that is the best summary of all the issues facing WOMEN at the moment that I have seen. I want to send it to every woman I know.

What happens to women who want to fight sex discrimination at work in the future, if sex and gender have been further muddled? Please don't tell me no one will take advantage of a legal loophole.

And it's not about a fear of more rapists in the bathroom, or that all trans women are rapists...it is about rape/assault convictions being incredibly low already, do we really want to make it even more difficult to convict the flashers etc?

Surely we can find a way to make it easier for trans people to socially and legally transition, without self ID.

Self ID is the problem.

Self ID takes vulnerable people who might have mental and medical health needs, out of the care of doctors.

Surely the TRAs want to protect vulnerable trans people? and don't want abusive men who do not represent them, to appropriate their identity, for their own sexual and power gain?

Unfortunately the Libdems are not whiter than white here. They are are happy to stand by and let women's position be taken over.

But they are not alone.
The Greens call women "non-men"

Labour allow male-born people to assume women's officer posts

Even the Women's Equality Party think it's fine for male-born people to receive any and all the same opportunities, shortlist and related positions and safe spaces as female born women.

I am not ok with this. I will have my voice heard as a woman who was born a woman, who is a woman and who will stay a woman till they day she dies Whatever I wear, however I look.

Another one here to say great post @stealthsqirrelnutkin.

You really described how I’ve been feeling and how my pinko liberal tendencies honed over many years have led first to acceptance, then horror.

My dd goes to a very good state girls school. There is a waiting list a mile long. Our friends dd didn't get in this year spaces are extremely highly valued. Dd had the job of showing around the new year 7s. She was surprised as some of them "were boys mummy".

And the sad thing is the trans people I know (some young adults some in their 40's and 50's) are horrified by this also and feel very strongly that Dr's amd professionals need to be involved, that it's not gender but physical sex (as much as it can be changed) that who you are attracted to sexually is your own business not some groups definition. I am also sad as it is a loud minority of trans activists causing issues for my trans friends who quite frankly jusy want to live their life in peace and quiet and do not identify with these people.

Screenshot of poster. I don’t know how anything on there can be perceived as transphobic.

My main concern is that self id creates a giant loophole in safeguarding procedures. If anyone can self I’d as a woman how do we stop predatory men doing it to gain access to spaces where women and girls are vulnerable? I’m not talking about genuine trans folks here. Because it already seems like there are a few people on th strand bandwagon who are there for non-consensual sexual kicks rather than the liberation of those with dysphoria (which you apparently now don’t have to have to be trans).

Well written @argumentativefeminist**

Exactly what most of us are feeling

Love how you claim to speak for some extremely silent majority? drastard

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These men remind me very much of the fathers 4 justice types.

Bullies.

Thanks for posting this, OP. To all the people saying 'This has been posted everywhere, sick of seeing it, etc.' - don't read it, then. There are plenty of other threads. I haven't been on MN long, but one thing I've noticed is people taking the time to post 'We've seen all this before, why don't people post something new', but not posting something new themselves. It's almost like they just want to close some conversations down, but don't have any good arguments for doing so...

KERALA1

That’s beyond ridiculous

That poster is atrocious. Libdems are well known for their scaremongering but really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

@MissSusanSays My main concern is that self id creates a giant loophole in safeguarding procedures. If anyone can self I’d as a woman how do we stop predatory men doing it to gain access to spaces where women and girls are vulnerable?

Hope your daughter isn't a Girl Guide then.
Their policy is to allow born male teenage boys who claim to be girls to sleep in the same tents and quarters as teenage and younger born female girls, and parents will not be made aware of this. What could possibly go wrong...?

Guide leaders are being pushed out of the organisation and blacklisted for disagreeing with this policy.

(oh, and should your born female daughter fight back against the stereotype of "female" and present as a boy instead, she'll be asked to leave the Guides...)

I’ve just had a look at the FB page the OP mentioned. It genuinely says “thankfully all the comments we’ve received about this are supportive of trans rights”.

We know that’s not true because the OP posted (though i’d argue her post was pro-women not anti-trans) and her post was removed. This is horrible censorship and thought control.

KERALA sorry, you’re saying that there are boys attanding a girls’ school? Or that these are transboys (ie female). If it’s the first tha it shocking and needs to be heavily publicised. If the latter it’s depresssing.