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Delicate situation

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PeapodBurgundy · 18/08/2018 15:06

Not sure how to play this one at all, so I thought I'd ask here for want of somewhere else.

We've recently moved house (FINALLY got the keys about 3 weeks ago, moved in last week once it was fit-ish to live in). The people next door are lovely, and I think we're going to get along well. They also have children one of whom is slightly older than our son, so lots of potential for them to play together etc.

The issue I'm facing at the moment, is they have an older son (I think they said he's 7) who has low functioning ASD. He's a climber, escapes often. He ends up in our garden several times a day, which as a rule I don't mind in the slightest, (he and his younger sister have already been over a few times to play in the garden with our son when OH is at work and I'm out there to keep an eye that they're playing on the lawn where it's safe not on the patio where it isn't) but we're currently renovating the house, so there are often things which are unsafe in the back garden (think work horses which he's been found sitting on, circular saws, chisels etc). These are all put away between uses so our own son can play in the garden, but there are times where the tools etc are out in the garden and OH is in the house fitting whichever thing he's just made/cut etc. It's impractical to lock away the tools every time he comes back into the house as he's building a kitchen from scratch, so there are lots of ins and outs to make adjustments, it would make the job take months. We keep the gate shut, but he's coming in over the shed roof (one giant building split between both houses, I assume the old coal shed and outhouse so not something we can move). We have no problem with him being there when OH is out to keep an eye, and once the garden is set up properly with the toys etc once the renovations are done he's welcome to come and go as he pleases, it's not a territorial thing, I'm just petrified he's going to hurt himself, as he has no fear or sense of danger as far as I can see.
The first few times it happened I just took him back to his own garden, but when it kept happening, I started giving the back door a quick knock to let them know I'd brought him out of our garden because there are tools etc lying about. It hasn't stopped him coming over (he's non-verbal and I don't know him well enough to know how much of what I say to him he's able to understand). At the moment there are a load of MASSIVE wooden boards under a tarp for the kitchen, and some big items waiting for the council to collect to scrap piled up on the patio, with nowhere else to go, if they fell on him they could seriously hurt him. I've just tried to tie them to the wall of the house, but they're still not secure enough I'd be confident a child could play safely near them.
I feel I need to speak with his Mam about my concerns, but I don't want to offend or upset her. She has a lot on her plate (home alone most of the day with him and two others), I don't want it to come across as critical or judgey, or a 'get orf my laand' attitude, because that's not the case, but the comments about the garden not being safe at the moment don't seem to be registering. I need her to try something different to keep him out of the garden just in the short term as I can't be out there all of the time watching her son; we have baby number 2 due on Monday, so I'm up to my neck trying to get as much of the house sorted as I can before we're working around a toddler AND a newborn.

Any tips on how to handle things without causing a rift will be gratefully received (or if there's something obvious I haven't thought about regarding making the garden safe/secure that would be welcomed too). Sorry for the War and Peace effort!!

OP posts:
MozzieMagnet · 19/08/2018 14:41

Hi OP

I haven't rtft but just wanted to say you sound like the kind of neighbour I would love to have. My son is a bolter and climber. I lock the door just in case. If windows are open, as they are now, he doesn't leave my sight.
Problems occur only when in town or at the park. Even then I run like mad to catch up with him.
If outside in a garden/yard I would be sitting with him with a brew.
But mistakes can happen. I have still lost him on at least three occasions whilst shopping (reins weren't helpful at one stage).
So if I was your neighbour and you told me everything in your OP I would not take offence at all as you are safeguarding.

WellThisIsShit · 19/08/2018 14:44

I’m sure this thread will get deleted, as they all do nowadays when they don’t go the way the op wants the thread to go.

But, just in case it stays up for a wee bit longer, I’ll waste some words here...

OP, I started off thinking you sound lovely and oh so kind and neighborly. But after the way you are wriggling out of helping this little boy I’m not so sure about this whole loveliness thing.

I’m also wondering how much you really know about children’s services, as it’s all very much passing the buck to others, but doing it in such a way, and to such people, that they would clearly have no way of helping beyond making a (very delayed and second hand) social services referral themselves.

There is help available through the disabilities team.

Why are you lumping them in with the ‘child snatching terrifying pressure inducing’ bunch (ahem!)? And not sure why the fear and mythology around the whole thing?

Ok, so they may not be easy to deal with, but children’s services have the resources no one else does, if they can be persuaded to give them out, which is hard yes.

An early referral and sign posting could also avoid this whole bogey man fear you have made large in your head.

Of course, you could wait silently until the child escapes and gets hurt either in your garden / boundary or naked in the road. That would definitely be a neglect or abuse case then wouldn’t it?

Sigh.

But no, you carry on and wait, doing nothing because you ‘care’.

You may care but you need to step back from all this muddled thinking and over complicated circular stuffing.

I hope your partner is a little less hazy about things and perhaps has gone some way to help the situation last night.

MozzieMagnet · 19/08/2018 14:52

Social services referral?
Well personally, I would rather the OP spoke with me first before doing that.

Whereismumhiding2 · 19/08/2018 14:54

OP has already spoken to the NDN. Several times.

4GreenApples · 19/08/2018 14:57

I hope that your DH managed to speak to them successfully last night.

The situation sounds very worrying, especially the part where the parents seem unaware of where the child is, and the seeming lack of concern when he’s returned to them. They surely must know that he can escape from their back garden, yet he’s still being allowed in it without adult supervision. I’d personally be wondering why they’re not trying harder to keep him contained - after all, if this continues, it’s likely to end up with the child being injured in some way.

I know you mentioned upthread about not wanting to look like you were questioning their parenting, but given the number of times this child is appearing in your property, I really don’t think it’s unreasonable to start asking the parents about their door locks, window locks, trying to escape proof their garden etc.

Are you planning on moving or replacing this shed that the boy’s climbing over at some point BTW?

Pluckedpencil · 19/08/2018 15:11

Just say "this is getting daft, I'm bringing him back multiple times a day. If he wants to come round, he can knock on the front door like everyone else. Can you please keep him with you so I'm not always have to check the garden when I know it's full of sharp objects?"

AcrossthePond55 · 19/08/2018 15:55

The thing is, this boy's mum has it in her head that you are watching out for her son and you will bring him back. So why should she be vigilant in keeping an eye on him if you're doing it for her?

As I mentioned earlier, when he's in your garden, call her and have her come get him. If she doesn't answer the phone, bang on the wall (if you have a common wall) and shout "Johnny's in the garden again, come get him". You have to make it a burden on her, not on you. Once she spends a few days having to leave the house 3-6 times per day to retrieve her son, maybe she'll be more inclined to keep him in her own garden.

And yes, report it to the relevant authorities. Would you have any compunction in reporting if this boy was 2 or 3 and running about unsupervised? Same thing, as he doesn't have the ability to understand the ramifications of his actions.

BruceAndNosh · 19/08/2018 16:36

Yes, one of the parents should be collecting him from your garden.
At the moment, letting him escape and you returning him requires no effort on their part.
If they have to come round and collect him repeatedly, they might decide it is worth their while making more effort to keep tabs on exactly where he is.

RubiksQueen · 19/08/2018 17:05

I actually agree with the OP in that so far she's been nice, and the mother hasn't picked up that this is happening a lot, she's not taken the hint.

It's a bit of a jump from that to social services knocking on the door with (to her) no warning.

She either can't see or doesn't want to see that she needs to step up her security. The OP is reticent to tell her and her DH has gone round to have a sterner word. If that doesn't work, then I'd say social services would be the next step. The OP has to actually live there, and get on with her neighbours, the mum might be at the end of her tether and not realise how bad it's got or she might need more support or she might be just a neglectful cow but you don't know that till you actually have a conversation!

RubiksQueen · 19/08/2018 17:10

And I don't get the impression the OP has been saying 'your son needs to stop coming into our garden, this is non negotiable, I'm very unhappy with it and it stops now'. I get the impression it's more 'it is quite dangerous... I'm worried he might hurt himself...' etc. I doubt she's been firm enough.

She hasn't been explicit enough. I get that, it's a hard thing to say, hence why the DH is going to say it. Till that point, there's a get out clause. 'It's quite dangerous' Mum: hopefully he wouldn't touch anything. 'He might hurt himself' Mum: He's climbed worse than that and he doesnt' hurt himself.

AdoreTheBeach · 19/08/2018 17:37

Hi OP

Wondering if your husband had a chance to talk with your neighbour.

Also wanted to say good luck for tomorrow.

PeapodBurgundy · 19/08/2018 19:09

OH went round last night and they took up the offer of the chub lock. Not a clue if he's been in the garden or not today, as our baby decided to arrive very swiftly in the early hours of this morning, we've been pre-occupied. We discussed it last night, and if he keeps coming over, we're calling the Growing Healthy team as they can do OT referrals etc to help with child proofing the house.

OP posts:
FrayedHem · 19/08/2018 19:17

Congratulations!

I hope the neighbour stuff resolves itself.

Jozxyqk · 19/08/2018 19:25

Congratulations! Hopefully everything will soon be a lot more peaceful & that will be it for surprise visitors, now. YWNBU to ring them, instead of taking the boy back round though, if he does appear again. It's the perfect time to make the responsibility firmly theirs, to remove him from your garden, as you will obviously be too busy to do it.

Lovemysofa · 19/08/2018 19:33

Congratulations on the new bub. I hope the situation is sortedFlowers

ConkerTriumphant · 19/08/2018 19:40

Congratulations!

Citylivingwithdogs · 19/08/2018 19:56

Congratulations and for what’s its worth I think you and your DH are managing the situation with your NDN really well.

Chocolatehamper · 19/08/2018 19:59

Congratulations on your new little one! As a mother of a high functioning ASD son, I wish I had you as a neighbour!
I hope your neighbour steps up their responsibility or accepts your help and advice as it's intended.
Wishing you and your family all the very best in your new home 💐

Chocolatehamper · 19/08/2018 19:59

Congratulations on your new little one! As a mother of a high functioning ASD son, I wish I had you as a neighbour!
I hope your neighbour steps up their responsibility or accepts your help and advice as it's intended.
Wishing you and your family all the very best in your new home 💐

Chocolatehamper · 19/08/2018 19:59

Congratulations on your new little one! As a mother of a high functioning ASD son, I wish I had you as a neighbour!
I hope your neighbour steps up their responsibility or accepts your help and advice as it's intended.
Wishing you and your family all the very best in your new home 💐

Chocolatehamper · 19/08/2018 20:00

Sorry! It wouldn't post! 🙄

Inertia · 19/08/2018 20:03

Congratulations on the new baby, and I hope the lock resolves the problem.

4GreenApples · 19/08/2018 20:19

Congratulations on the new arrival Flowers

Idontmeanto · 19/08/2018 21:02

Congratulations on your new arrival. You sound like a very patient neighbour, hope this situation is easily resolved for you!

imnotreally · 19/08/2018 21:04

Congratulations!