AIBU to wonder why Corbyn hasn't got the boot yet?

[marsbarsandtwix]

After all this recent stuff. Please could we have someone else and make labour electable again. Why is he still there and do we think he still will be for the forseeable?

Corbyn has sat and watched as women who have been lifelong Labour members have been abused by Momentum misogynists and hounded out of the party. When challenged on air about this, he said that he welcomed dialogue with everyone and would meet with Linda Bellos to discuss the issues she was trying to raise with him. That turned out to be a complete lie; she continued to be ignored. So, no I don’t believe he has any integrity at all, despite the repeated claims that he is a man of principle.

There is very little that any opposition can do.

Put forward a workable alternative agenda that people could get behind and vote for at the next election?

hold the government accountable?

work with the government where necessary to put forward suggestions and plans for how to make the best of things going forwards?

provide a visible credible opposition in parliament?

The opposition are supposed to try and hold the governing party to account and challenge the government - something that is much easier to do when they have a small majority and also to work with their party to unite their party and provide an alternative that the public want to vote for

Corbyn is utterly useless at this even up against May

And who do I think would do it better Starmer, Cooper are two names that come to mind

Their stand on Brexit has been very wishy washy - the most important change that is happening in recent history and what do we get from Labour very little

Labour have wasted three years with Corbyn and Momentum its fucking tragic

Corbyn could have stepped down though and made way for someone who has better chances of making labour win the election. Instead he dug his heals in and plodded on. He could have been more vocal during the election campaign about what he would do with regards to Brexit. Yes people can read the manifesto but not all voters do, they rely on the vocal performance made by the party leader.

He could have made a massive noise about Brexit and his plans and campaigned hard to get in power but he didn't want the job. He wanted the Tories to deal with it so afterwards he could come out smelling of roses when he could have tried harder to prevent it in the first place. Sinking the Tories is all he wants at the detriment of the voters.

Yes labour might get in next time but only because it was done so tactically. Bravo labour 👏🏻

I have a theory that the establishment encourage Labour to elect Corbyn as their leader thinking May would than have a much easier time and it would break up the UKIP vote which was made up of predominantly of traditional working class Labour votes disenfranchised by the new Labour movement.

Reality is that May is absolutely dreadful. Now we are left with a PM who has completely failed to meet objectives for Brexit and the opposition is a leader who supports Brexit.

As a Jewish person I find him abhorrent. He has done more to damage relationships which have been slowly and carefully building over the past 15 years between Jews and Muslims in the Uk than any other person I can think of. The fact he got so many votes at the last general election isn't an indication of his ability but a signal of Mays incompetence and the fact that a huge section of the population are going to vote for Labour no matter what. His record of supporting women is no better either. If that's the best the left can do then I'll be voting for anyone but them.

People are fed up of neo liberalism that’s what makes Corbyn popular.

The vast vast majority of people do not think like that at all. He needs to win over the people who are really not walking around thinking how they're fed up with neo liberalism. He makes no effort to do that so we're stuck with the Tories for the foreseeable. Oh but it's ok, at least we don't have Blair or anyone like him, you know, someone who could win elections and then enact policies, that really would be terrible wouldn't it.

You really do get the government you deserve and all the Corbynistas really have got what they deserve with May et al and god knows who this time next year.

I’ve resigned myself to the fact Labour is eating itself from the inside and it will be some years before we have anything resembling a functioning and electable party.

Momentum lot are batshit and horrible in my neck of the woods, and have poisoned the local party. There isn’t a hope in hell Labour will get in here in the next election, and my seat is a marginal one where the result is always in line with the GE outcome.

It’s fucking depressing. And don’t get me started on the treatment of women in the party! I’ve resigned my membership over it, after a lifetime as a Labour member and voter.

"Oh but it's ok, at least we don't have Blair or anyone like him, you know, someone who could win elections and then enact policies, that really would be terrible wouldn't it."

Blair had to make Labour more "Tory" to win an election. "New Labour " ie: a centre party not swinging too far either way. It's very far removed from the left wing party of the 70s or what corbyn is part of now.

Labour will need to swing to the centre once again if they have any hope of an election win.

Question to Margaret Thatcher; What was your greatest achievement?

MT; Tony Blair and New Labour. We forced our opponents to change their minds.

The latest polls today shown Labour has gained two points while the Conservatives have lost 5. Meaning there has been a 3.5% swing from the Conservatives to Labour, pushing Labour into a small lead. Why would the man who is the head of the most popular party in the country, the man who has inspired his party to become the largest in Europe step down? You and many others, may not like him. Those who may not like him may be screaming their dislike from the rooftops. But a reasonably significant, growing, majority support him. They don't have the same type of outlet to voice that support or maybe they choose not to. But if the most recent Irish referenda prove anything, the silent majority doesn't need to say anything, they just need to vote.

And just like in the last British election, there is very likely to be a silent majority that ensure Corbyn's Labour does better than predicted. His opposition would do better to work out what about him it is that the public is responding to and figure out better ways to meet their needs. Instead they are focussed on smearing him (a really gross aspect of British politics) that just can't work in 2018. The wreath laying thing is a case in point. It's an absolutely pathetic lie that has been easily, completely disproven. Those who hate Corbyn cling to the smear sure, but those in the middle tend to be more disgusted by the smear attempt than taken in by it. It's certainly how I feel about it. I have plenty of reservations about Corbyn, but making up shit about him and pretending he doesn't have the massive popularity that he does only makes his detractors look worse by far. And will only ensure they lose a lot of votes while he gains some.

Most people don’t know what neo liberalism is but the will complain day and night about privatisation, outsourcing, low pay and everything else associated with that economic model. So clearly people are fed up of 40 years of living under these type of conditions. Rather than blaming the British government the EU took the flack. Until we address where the problem is coming from nothing will change.

Labour are just as much to blame if brexit goes to shit.

They should be challenging the government, speaking to the public, and making their own proposals that may get support.
Instead they're sat on their arses, being anti Semitic,and letting this country go to shit and therefore this will most likely affect the poorest in society which is Labour's main voters.

So cheers Jeremy, fuck off now please.

@Janni01

How can you possibly blame Labour for the mess that is Brexit???
they never wanted a referendum, it wasn't in their 2010 or 2015 manifesto.
JC has repeatedly said we should be in a CU and a SM and that we should prioritise the Economy, Labour also dont have "red lines" that close off negotiation before we even start to talk to the EU.

Brexit is a Tory idea, originally invoked to finally silence the far right in their party... it back fired spectacularly.

Sure Labour are not holding May to account (or its not reported) but she has a majority, is a far right politician and doesn't need or want to listen to Labour.
Its solely her responsibility if/when it all goes wrong.

The wreath laying thing is a case in point. It's an absolutely pathetic lie that has been easily, completely disproven. Those who hate Corbyn cling to the smear sure, but those in the middle tend to be more disgusted by the smear attempt than taken in by it.

It's not a smear if it's true.

It's very strange that anything vaguely said against him is dismissed as smear, and conspiracy. He has changed his own story on this 3 times this week. He has admitted he was there. He is now been investigated for not declaring the trip.

Let's not also forget there is a big silent Tory contingent to that go out and vote.

Also seems odd that Corbyn fans only believe polls when Labour are in the lead. Strange that.

Why isn’t Labour asking ME why I have left the party after a lifetime of being a member and voter?

I’ll tell you why. Because if you’re not a Corbyn fan...if you dare to criticise him...if you dare to object to a Momentum-sanctioned motion being passed at local level...Labour doesn’t want you. The cult of Corbyn is the most important thing.

I’m a Tory now as well as a Terf, apparently!

It worries me that, at a time when we have possibly the most shambolic government in history, that we have an opposition who cannot muster the focus to walk all over them, which they should be doing with ease.

We have two shit-show, crap-shoot parties.

I’m beginning to miss the Lib Dems, and even Tony Blair would be an improvement (now there’s something I never thought I’d say!).

A strong, credible, focused opposition is vital for democracy.

I wish I could get through to Corbynites that 'largest party in Europe' blah blah means diddly squat. Only around 1% of the population joins a political party. The overwhelming majority of people have more interesting things to do in their lives than sit around arguing about neoliberalism. Most people haven't a clue what neoliberalism means, including lots of Corbyn supporters, who think it's some sort of swear word, like Blairite, which they apply to everyone who is not a true believer.

It's Labour voters who matter. And we need more of those than last time. People who, shock, horror, actually voted Tory in the marginals that need to change hands. These are the voters who are put off by the sort of supporters who've joined the LP since 2015. Labour would have a better chance with a smaller, less extreme membership, without the SWP, AWL, TUSC deplorables who will defend Corbyn to the death whatever he does or doesn't do, because without him their chance of power disappears in a puff of smoke. Yes, they're only a fraction of the new membership. There are a lot of idealistic young people who long for a better world. But look at the people who are running things, who've taken over CLPs. Same old, same old. Sad.

"And just like in the last British election, there is very likely to be a silent majority that ensure Corbyn's Labour does better than predicted"

But doing better than expected is not good enough for a mainstream party. Doing better than expected isn't going to change a great deal because the power to implement any real change isn't there.

Elections aren't a try out to aim to do better next time. They should be doing everything they can to gain a majority, not patting corbyn on the back saying well done well done you did better this time even if you didn't win.

At the last election I remember all those voters who were celebrating because labour did "better than expected." Reality was though, yes they did better in comparison to the last election but it still meant they didn't actually win and couldn't implement any of their policies. The confusion of some voters that corbyn didn't have any powers to do anything, despite doing much better in the election, was quite frankly a bit sad.

The only thing which could possibly make everything worse (if that's possible) is if Boris Johnson becomes PM 😢

Just because it's a Tory shambles, it affects everyone in the whole union.
He is being complicit, he is letting it be a shambles by doing nothing.

I was a life long Labour supporter, but at the last general election, voted lib dems with pride because I can't support Labour with Corbyn there.

It's May who needs sacking.

The leader of the opposition should look and sound like a potential prime minister- if not then they are the wrong person for the job.

The main opposition should expect to win the next general election, not just do a bit better than be annialated. If the leader and front bench can't offer hope of winning, they are the wrong people for the job.

Corbyn has been the leader of the Labour party since 2015. If in the last 3 years he's failed to get his message across to disgruntled Tory voters, how likely is it he's ever going to manage it?

Does anyone seriously think that the Labour party represents the views of working class people in the UK ? Because if it was it would be supporting what the majority of them voted for ie Brexit and not the knee jerk anti everything the Government is trying to do and yes the Governement do deserve lots of criticism for their cack handed handling of the arrangements . The narrative of blaming the far right for the Brexit vote and all the problems of the country is really offensive to all the decent working class people who thought about the issues and how they had been affected by the EU and voted accordingly .Jeremy Corbin has great difficulty opposing Brexit because he is a lifelong eurosceptic . And with reference to his meeting with various unsavoury characters in his capacity as a peacemaker did I miss all the pictures of him with the Israeli politicians and the leaders of the DUP. And finally to those who shriek media right wing bias ,do you think anyone at the BBC reads the Daily Mail as their daily paper or voted Brexit - no me neither .

At what point do voters take responsibility? The Lib Dems stood on a strong anti Brexit ticket last year - didn't work out for them.

So much easier to blame the opposition instead. Like blaming a poorly performing football team solely on the manager never the players.

You really can't see any default in him at all can you.