AIBU to wonder why Corbyn hasn't got the boot yet?

[marsbarsandtwix]

After all this recent stuff. Please could we have someone else and make labour electable again. Why is he still there and do we think he still will be for the forseeable?

The Tories have been fighting over Europe for 25 years. The Tories called the referendum. The Tories lost the referendum. The Tories are bungling onwith brexit knowing it will make the country poorer. It’s on their watch it always has been.

The press whinge about rail prices and delays but they’d rarely blame sell offs and privatisation. They’d never promote a politician offering an alternative. They play the man not the ball. In ten years they’ll still be complaining about the state of the railways.

I spent hours having this argument before the election. Me saying I'd rather get a leader in who's electable even if it means going more centrist, Corbyn supporters calling me a red Tory and complaining about the MSM.

Me saying yes, but doesn't matter how unfair it is and how much people should do research - they won't, so we need someone electable to stop the rot and prevent more damage being done.

Corbyn supporters saying no, we should hold on to ALL our principles and wait for people to see the light. Me asking ok, so you're fine with the NHS, people with disabilities and the vulnerable being collateral damage while we wait a generation or more for this ideologically pure government...

Tumbleweeds. Then o but people should just elect Corbyn.

It's so depressing and frustrating.

Point 1 - Why is it on threads calling Corbyn supporters cultists someone always brings up David Milliband - he lost 8 years ago and youre stilling hanging onto it?

Point 2 - Are some of you saying that the Jewish organisations who came out in support of Corbyn are being anti-semitic?

People are fed up of neo liberalism that’s what makes Corbyn popular. Centrism is just more neo liberalism. 15 years ago people complained that “there’s no one to vote for they are all the same”. Now they get a real alternative they supposedly decide that they don’t actually want it!

The huge irony is of course the fallout from neo liberalism- deindustralisation, privitisation led to brexit. Moral of the story? Blame anyone other than those promoting the hardships get more of the same!

Well maybe, but it's not 'supposedly', is it? They had a chance to vote it in at election time, and didn't.

So do those of us who want something different offer something a little toned down and win, or stick grimly to Plan A and watch the Tories stay in power?

Point 2 - Are some of you saying that the Jewish organisations who came out in support of Corbyn are being anti-semitic?

No. But they were as equally excluded from the consultation on anti semitism as other Jewish organisations. The NEC decided what was antisemitism without involving anyone from the Jewish community, regardless of whether they have supported Corbyn or not.

We were told Corbyn was unpopular last year then May failed to get her landslide, lost her majority and ended up dealing with a party holding dubious views on same sex relationships and abortion. Nothing to see here though.

Firstly, Brexit is toxic, so better let the Tories and May fuck it up so that they get the blame whatever happens. It's their fault anyway (Cameron).

Secondly, I think Corbyn is a twat, but also the ideal leader for a leftist party, so that's fine.

Thirdly, if you don't like the Tories, and think that Corbyn is not the leader you want, vote for the Lib Dems next time around! Their policies are sound, their leadership is improving and they are 100% opposed to Brexit.

Yes I have noticed the Corbyn lovers on my social media, have suddenly become very quiet, he is just dreadful. None of the three main parties are any good.

We were told Corbyn was unpopular last year then May failed to get her landslide, lost her majority and ended up dealing with a party holding dubious views on same sex relationships and abortion. Nothing to see here though

Yet he did not win!

So what do the Corbynites think of JC's performance in the interviews that have been headline news all week? Does he still look like a future PM, a man of integrity and principle? Or a guilty schoolboy, shuffling his feet, shifty as hell, as he changes his story and indulges in a classic piece of eye-rolling mansplaining to the reporter who calls him out on it.

I can't make up my mind whether he laid the wreath on the wrong grave by mistake or did know which graves he was honouring but was too chicken to offend his 'friends in Hamas' by standing aside. Or is so embedded in the Palestinian cause, right or wrong, that even terrorists who mutilate and murder innocent athletes are themselves the victims of 'state terrorism'. We're into Orwellian double-speak here.

Stop all this prevarication about where the actual perpetrators are buried. You know full well who were the masterminds behind it. There's plenty of evidence for that. And Corbyn himself in his Morning Star column the week after the event said that he wasn't only honouring the victims of the airstrike and referred to political assassinations in Paris and elsewhere. Wrong date - but par for the course. He really isn't v bright.

And his response to the widow of the Israeli fencing coach? 'I feel sorry for everyone who's lost a loved one...' How to add insult to injury. Way to go, Jezzer.

It was a loss for the Tories now hamstrung by the DUP at the same time as trying to sort NI and Brexit. Another self inflicted mess.

They lost ground, but they did not lose the election. Labour did. Not losing as badly as everyone thought they would is NOT winning. It just isn't, and being prepared to settle for that means Tory government for ever.

Maybe stop seeing conflicts as one sided and that there are casualties on both sides? When it is understood that conflict isnt always simply about good vs evil we get the queen laying wreaths for Irish republicans and people queuing up to pay respects to Mandela.

Semantics. When Brexit hits none of this will matter. What is happening now is manufactured distraction from the forthcoming shitstorm.

Maybe stop seeing conflicts as one sided and that there are casualties on both sides?

Of course there are, so again, when has he seen both sides?

He’s acknowledged the minority, maligned side eg unionists were dominant power in NI, catholics not. Dominant powers by default already have acknowledgment, the side usually derided as “bad” do not.

In other words he doesn't speak with or acknowledge both sides.

It's not good enough for Labour to sit back and go oh well Brexit is a Tory fuck up. What about the good of the country? they are supposed to be in opposition. It's irresponsible to just go 'not our fault' 'it's the right wing media' etc etc. At the end of the day somebody else needs to lead the party. But interesting to read what pp have said about Labour hanging on to crap leaders, I guess that's true.
Corbyn is not a natural leader imo and can't engage with a lot of the public. His followers are loyal but as pp has said, they're not the ones he needs to win over.
It's as if rather than acknowledge why people might be upset about his pro terrorist alliances, anti semitism and so on he just blames the press. He doesn't therefore come across as responsible which is what you need to be to run a country.

Let's face it, we haven't had a left wing Labour Party in power since the 1970s.

I'm so disillusioned with politics at the moment i don't think even a labour government could make things much worse.

It would be interesting to see what corbyn would do and change if in power. He'd probably be shitting his pants if he was though because I doubt labour truly believe he could be pm and make a success of it.

i have never voted tory in my life and I loathe the bulk of current Tory government ministers but.... there is absolutely no way i could vote for Corbyn. Even without the wreath laying and anti-semitism, he is clearly unfit for the job. He has had opportunity after opportunity to stand up and say how HE would make Brexit work (or cancel it) and he never does. Now and again he makes some comment about schools or NHS but they are either so wooly as to be pointless or so unrealistic as to be as bad as the 350mn on the side of a bus....

I find myself in a position where If I had to vote today, I MIGHt actually vote for conservatives on the basis that shoring up Teresa May might be the ONLY way to stop either Coryb or Jacob/Boris from taking over. Which would be even worse.

It's a sad sad state of affairs.

"He has had opportunity after opportunity to stand up and say how HE would make Brexit work (or cancel it) and he never does."

That's because he doesn't have a clue how he would go about it. He'd rather sit back and watch the Tories get slaughtered for it instead of trying to jump in and save it. It's all about watching the opposition sink (which will affect the country ie; his voters) rather than stepping in to do something. Is that someone I want as the pm? Someone who will sit back and do nothing to save himself and his political career? Erm.. no.

There is very little that any opposition can do. They are not in power. People voted Tory and voted brexit. This is the course the country is on. Democracy, apparently.

They might have a go at saying what they'd do instead, though?

There was a manifesto published last year. Just like every other party.