AIBU to wonder why Corbyn hasn't got the boot yet?

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After all this recent stuff. Please could we have someone else and make labour electable again. Why is he still there and do we think he still will be for the forseeable?

thereareflowersinmygarden

the wreath story is not about whataboutery it is evidence that supports the belief that many have that Corbyn isn't fit to lead the Labour Party

Evidence that has been around for ages

You get upset about a wreath if you let the establishment tell you who the bad guys are. Not everything is black and white.

The queen laid a wreath in the garden of remembrance in Dublin. In 30 years will a member of the royal family do the same in Belfast? Mandela used to be a terrorist in the eyes of the establishment

What I feel this all is is that there are many who would love labour to go back to the new labour days and those who would hate it. Yet another division which allows us to continue to be ruled by the current bunch of looneys. I keep saying it but the whole system needs an overhaul and allow for more coalitions. Chancellor from X party, foreign secretary from Y party etc.

Piece by Jonathan Freedland today in the Guardian

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/15/jeremy-corbyn-honesty-labour-wreath-mess

No doubt Corbyn was derided for campaigning against apartheid South Africa in the 80s. Same shit, different decade.

Too right Lapin.

Who is this 'establishment' you keep talking about exactly?

As for comparing Corbyn who was a lowly back bencher, to the Queen.

If he is someone who want dialogue with both sides I look forward to him talking to Isaleis and laying wreaths for them.

He claims to have been to the Knesset. He has been asked for proof that this is the case and who he met. None has been forthcoming.

Spelling is awful, sorry.

No doubt Corbyn was derided for campaigning against apartheid South Africa in the 80s. Same shit, different decade.

I don't think he was. He was derided for his support of the IRA though.

There are those on the hard left who see the existence of Israel as the single greatest problem in modern politics. There are many many others who think the Labour party should focus on improving employment, the NHS and public services and opposing a vile Tory govt Brexit. Sadly this Labour party doesn't exist currently.

Corbyn is focussing in the nhs, tackling austerity etc. It’s why the establishment hate him, he offers something outside of the neo liberal consensus that has caused so many problems over the last 40 years.

Corbyn is focussing in the nhs, tackling austerity etc

Of course he is. He's been on tv, in the papers, talking about nothing else.... Oh wait.

I'll ask again. Who is the establishment you repeatedly say it, yet fail to say who or what it is.

The establishment are the media and ruling class who control the narrative and political discourse in this country. It’s why Tories court right wing newspaper editors like Gallagher and dacre.

It’s ok for the head of state to commemorate irish republicans but when corbyn is photographed with a democratically elected republican MP it is an outrage. Establishment double standards again.

How often is Corbyn interviewed on TV or the radio setting out how Labour would improve the NHS or employment in the UK? I don't remember a single time this year.

How often is Corbyn interviewed on TV or the radio setting out how Labour would improve the NHS or employment in the UK? I don't remember a single time this year.

Exactly. It will however all be someone else's fault.

And what the hell is Labour's position on Brexit??

And if millions feel this way as some suggest then it should be a Lib Dem or Green Party landslide at the next election.

Ghost - if, as is claimed on mn, there is now a big majority in favour of remaining in the EU then surely the Lib Dems will win the next election as they are the only mainstream party promising to reverse the referendum result.
I would be surprised if the Green Party won the next election, but who knows, these days.

Do you think the dominant right wing press are going to let Corbyn or-anyone else remotely left wing,challenging the neo liberal consensus get their point across? Very naive.

Brexit was created by the Tories. Let them own the “titanic success.”

Ghost - I'll say it again, it doesn't matter what he has to say on the NHS if he can't swing Tory voters to him. It doesn't matter that he thinks austerity is bad, if he's never going to be in a position to do anything about it.

Labour needs a leader who can get people who voted Tory in 2017, 2015 and 2010 to vote Labour.

Doesn't matter if the 'establishment' hate him, it matters that he's incapable of getting the Labour message across to non-traditional Labour voters.

If the establishment hate him so much that he isn't able to get the message across then Labour needs a leader who can get the message across. Winning elections matters if you want to change things. Just looking like you might win can change things.

If Corbyn can't get through due to this establishment you mention, then he's not the right person for the job.

If people aren’t willing to engage with critical thinking and would rather be fed propaganda by the press more fool them. It’s how we got brexit. Reap what you sow, you get the government you deserve etc..

What is happening is a spotlight is being shone on the hard left that's what happens when you gain some power, people become interested in you. If you can't handle or manage that you have no business running the labour party. People have known about this stuff for years, just no body really cared as this faction held no sway within the party. Are people surprised that a mainly male group have a misogynistic tendency. Voting labour is not some sort of magic fairy dust that makes you immune to racism and sexism. Honestly I could weep, it's the media's fault, how long will momentum sing this song.

It’s why Tories court right wing newspaper editors like Gallagher and dacre.

And the left lurrvve The Guardian. There's lots of posters who scrounge the internet for anything that supports their position. There's plenty as the left love to shout. So what?

Most Tories just quietly come out and vote at election time. They don't have the need to insult, ridicule, humiliate those with a differing opinion.

No there’s never been any ridicule about Corbyns age or appearance has there? Were lefties responsible for that?

Is the Guardian known to be pro Corbyn, it barely endorsed Milliband.

Brexit was created by the Tories. Let them own the “titanic success.”

If you don't think Corbyn would have been pro Brexit, just like Skinner, Gallloway and others then you haven't been listening to him for the past few decades.

Yes Ghost - you do get the government you deserve. Labour members picking Corbyn means they deserve May, they deserve their ideas to be ignored. They deserve the pain of a Brexit that shafts the traditional Labour heartlands, because they can't be arsed dealing with the country Britain is, rather than the one they hope it is.

Labour have no right to rule. They don't even have a right to expect to be the main opposition party. If they can't be arsed to offer a legitimate alternative government for the UK as it is now, then they don't deserve to be treated with respect.

Labour picked the joke leader and then is annoyed he's treated as a joke.