AIBU to wonder why Corbyn hasn't got the boot yet?

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After all this recent stuff. Please could we have someone else and make labour electable again. Why is he still there and do we think he still will be for the forseeable?

*Nor me

The thing I find most strange is how Theresa May is still in power. This country is a laughing stock.

You want to discuss how shit Teresa May is, start a thread!
This thread is discussing Jeremy Corbyn.

The thing I find most strange is how Theresa May is still in power. This country is a laughing stock.

Then start a thread about it.

This one is for Mr 'I was present but didn't participate'.

Well any Tory MP can challange May

I’m not sure at this point in time anyone wants to

But should they want to I doubt they will be able show evidence of her dodgy personal links with terrorists and her attending meetings/sharing platforms with terrorist sympathizers

Quick question: what's more important, this story about wreath laying or education, NHS and social care provision?

Judging by some on here, it's the former which is really quite perverse.

Quick question: what's more important, this story about wreath laying or education, NHS and social care provision?

Judging by some on here, it's the former which is really quite perverse

No what's quite perverse is your underhand tone of Jews know your place.

Funnily enough most people can care about more than one thing at a time.

Yay a bit of whataboutery

It’s important to have an opposition party that actually opposes the government and manages their party rather than attend rallies of their devoted followers

An opposition party with a leader that people feel confident in voting for to be PM someone who could lead the UK

Jews? Which Jews? They are not a great homogeneous mass and the way 'the Jews' is being bandied about on here is disturbing.

Seriously, anti-semitism is not an accusation that will wash with me.

Rising infant mortality, schools being asset stripped, NHS crumbling? None of that is as important as an overblown, over reported and over excited story from 2015.

This entire wreath story is whataboutary.

I think this tweet makes it quite clear that JC does not support any anti semitism

Check out @jeremycorbyn’s Tweet: twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1025430281061367809?s=09

They are not a great homogeneous mass and the way 'the Jews' is being bandied about on here is disturbing.

I am Jewish, as are a number of people on this thread.

As said I have the capability to care and campaign about more than one thing at a time. If you can't then that's your issue not mine.

My main problem with Corbyn is just that I am not sure he is on our (as in British people's) side. Although petty nationalism is a terrible thing, I think you have to clearly want the best for your country, even if it is slightly worse for other countries, if you want to be PM. Corbyn seems to think the West is inherently evil and that includes you and me.

*Quick question: what's more important, this story about wreath laying or education, NHS and social care provision?

Judging by some on here, it's the former which is really quite perverse.*

I love the fact this comment appears to be in earnest, but is almost exactly the same as my satirical reply to bananas exhaustive list of anti-Semitic incidents a few days ago. Well done for that.

What's important in this thread is the topic: we have a leader of the opposition who, when someone slaughters the civilians of Britain and her allies, finds that seductive and sympathetic and cosies up to them, and his supporters in doing damage control seem to end up equivocating over the intentional targeting and slaughter of innocent people.

That's actually quite important in itself, there is no hand at the tiller of the opposition's ship, it is drifting. Meanwhile we have one of the most severely authoritarian governments we've ever had that is quietly legislating our freedoms away, UNCHALLENGED.

He is also clearly anti semitic (except for true socialist Jews who don't think Israel should ever have existed, who are fine... yes, both of them).

And, I really don't see him and McDonnell as competent to run the economy of the UK, no matter how good their intentions are.

This is the topic-

All media stories are biased. This is because they are generally written by human beings and human beings are inherently biased, all of us. This is normal. I'm not complaining about that.

What I am complaining about is people's inability to see it. Why did this story come out, now? Why? It's not a recent event.

Brexit is a clusterfuck, public services are being destroyed, vulnerable people harmed and as you'd expect with those issues, the opposition are doing quite well in the polls.

So, media goes 'what about this..., wreath laying story!'

Why? Why now?

It's not about the Jews (and one does not speak for all), it's about data. It's about mortality rates, educational standards and NHS debt. But they are dull subjects, anti-semitism on the other hand, gets headlines and a (quite rightly) strong public reaction.

thereareflowersinmygarden - what's more important, having an ideologically pure leader of the Labour party, or having a Labour party who can win power and actually do something about the NHS and social provision?

Someone commented on Twitter a couple of days ago that for Corbyn, being the leader of the Labour party was winning, so he's doing well. The problem for many Labour supporters is they see winning as actually being in government.

At the last General Election May bearly showed up. He didn't win. I get sick of people in Labour asking would we rather have a Blairite, failing to acknowledge Blair won, over and over and was able to achieve things.

Labour needs a leader who can lead the party to election victory (that means actually ending up with more seats than the Tories, sick of his "not being wiped out" result being seen as a victory, it wasnt). If Corbyn can't do it, he should go. Part of being able to lead to a victory involves being able to swing the press to his side, being able to appeal to non-labour voters. I'm not seeing that.

*So, media goes 'what about this..., wreath laying story!'

Why? Why now?

It's not about the Jews (and one does not speak for all), it's about data. It's about mortality rates, educational standards and NHS debt. But they are dull subjects, anti-semitism on the other hand, gets headlines and a (quite rightly) strong public reaction.*

I think you're doing this yourself in this thread, though.

Why do people want to talk about the NHS instead of the thread topic? Deflection, pure and simple - it is the same when we're talking about the racism/anti-Semitism of those who currently have the Labour Party by the throat, it's always "but what about this?" "What about that?". It wears thin as a diversionary tactic.

To be fair, Corbyn has almost literally nothing to say about Brexit! That is the opposition has no clear position on possibly the most important issue facing the UK. It's not therefore too surprising that the media doesn't cover the Labour Brexit position with great enthusiasm. Brexit as a general topic is however covered night and day.

I don't think one can say Labour is doing well in the polls, whether that is important or not. They should surely be way ahead now and are not.

You ask "why now" with respect to wreath laying? It is a remarkable political story that the opposition leader is an anti Western anti-Semite. This topic has been covered every since he was elected Labour leader. I don't think that will change.

ImAldoot - what Corbyn says on the NHS is irreverent. Unless he can realistically win power, his opinion counts for a grand total of fuck all.

And that's the real problem. The opposition can only influence and change current government policy if they look likely to win at the next election.

He doesn't. So everything Labour does is unimportant to the Tories, the press and the wider electorate (beyond Labour members).

Who gives a shit what a party who can never win says? It's never going to be easier than the last General Election to beat the Tories. He didn't.

Labour needs to move on.

Seriously, anti-semitism is not an accusation that will wash with me.

How many other minorities aren't allowed to decide what is racism against them?

The Labour NEC decided what was antisemitism behind closed doors without actually consulting with the Jewish community - the community's views were not invited until after the outcry

Imagine the police, post Stephen Lawrence and the charge of institutional racism, had been given guidelines from the leaders of the black community. Then imagine the police rejected these, instead a mostly white group of police officials, without consultation, drew up its own anti-racism guidelines. Imagine these officials then said to the black community 'here are the guidelines we're following', and when that community complained that these did not address their concerns those police officials dismissed their concerns, responding 'how dare you complain, you should be grateful'.

This is in effect what Labour has done to the Jewish community.

I don't care whether Jeremy Corbyn is actually an anti-Semite, I don't vote for a leader (I'm seeking a just government not a charismatic leader, if I were I would be supporting something akin to a future dictatorship) but as the leader of the party failing to tackle this issue makes him anti-Semitic by proxy.

Apols for last para, copy and paste fail from a post on another thread discussing JC, responding to another poster

Last para not mine!

We’ve got a government willingly leading us into a self made recession. By CHOICE.

Any half decent Labour Party should be storming the polls and giving the tories hell.

He hasn’t achieved either of those things despite years as leader. The swing voters won’t entertain him being in power. Understandably imo.

Him and his useless front bench being there is the reason the tories are still ahead. He has had more time than Ed Milliband had.

He should already be gone.

ImAIdoot

Because in order to tackle these issues we need somone who is effective

Someone who is honest
Also somone Tory yes a Tory would vote for no point him attending rallies and preaching to the converted their are not enough you people and trans people to get him into power and rappers tend not to vote

He has show time over he is weak in the face of a weak Tory party the best he can do and equalise his polling

He has no position on brexit and it’s widely felthe actually voted to leave we won’t go into him being at Glastonbury when the results come on ect because I think anyone who thinks that was ok was clearly taking the drugs they sell their

He could of supported David cam over brexit but he put his principles above what’s best for the country

He has lettge rasicts in his party run wild
It’s clear to me he has done the math about how many Jews their are and how many Muslims their are in the U.K. and is playing to his crowd

He lies has shown to lie he puts his own views ahead in a way that would be detrimental to the U.K. who the fucks appoints a farming minster that is a vegan

He is unable to choose his cabinet wisely

We could go on but his flaws are to wide and vast noboady here is saying TM is a good leader but the fact is when your chooothe next one you wouldn’t choose somone worse

Your pointing put my car is has a faulty gear box I am pointing out the car your trying to sell me has a faulty gear box and a diff engine

The last leader you offered ham and eggs

We said no thanks
So you offers double ham and eggs