AIBU to wonder why Corbyn hasn't got the boot yet?

[marsbarsandtwix]

After all this recent stuff. Please could we have someone else and make labour electable again. Why is he still there and do we think he still will be for the forseeable?

jajas I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there, but The Mail and The Sun will make up 'inventive', 'amusing' and crass headlines to describe whoever becomes Labour Leader. One of the things that person will need to do is deal with that ant allow it to overshadow their messages to the country. Not easy to do, but doable. Corbyn has singularly failed to do that, but I have n doubt YC would give them a run for the money, having seen her performances in the house, in the media and in select committees.

and not allow

Wreath laying aside-JC is unelectable just because of who he is and how he comes across. He doesn't seem competent and he would never have wide enough support I don't think.

That said I don't actually think I can identify anyone who is in any way electable. This is such a low point in the life of this country politically. There isn't one party or individual that I think has any idea what to do or how best to do it.

Her name is Yvette Cooper. Nice misogyny there

You really didn't get what i was saying did you? it was an example of the sort of headline we d be getting if she ever became leader.

Just as Emily Thornberry has been linked (by the media) back to her Husband and her entitlement to be Lady Nugee.

theduchessstill

Nail on head there.
They would make up inventive headlines and they d become the news story.
Just as they did with Kinnock, Brown and Miliband.

See it with the PP on how Labour bankrupted the country with mindless spending leading up to the GFC, no they didnt, public debt was far lower under Labour than the current Tory gov, despite austerity but is it reported as such? no chance.

public debt was far lower under Labour than the current Tory gov, despite austerity but is it reported as such? no chance.

Its a bit rich for you pointing out the PP as being ill informed and yourself not understanding the difference between debt and deficit.

jajas I have had a look at that link and it's a bunch of crap speculation, ifs and buts.

No, I as a left-wing voter want a Labour leader that SWING VOTERS will vote for.

Labour are stuffed. It doesn't matter if Corbyn is the saintliest politician that ever lived if the swing voters won't vote for him.

That's why I'm frustrated! It doesn't matter if every single one of the thousands of voters in an already solidly Labour constituency vote for him. It doesn't matter if every member of the Labour Party vote for him. YOU NEED SWING VOTERS TO VOTE FOR HIM!

Get rid of him! Then we might have a fighting chance of getting rid of the Conservatives.

It really is that simple.

^^THIS in spades

Yevette Balls(up Cooper) do we want this Blairite running the country? or Starmer the man who allowed Worboys to be released? don't let the truth get in the way of a headline in the SUN or Mail!!!

Do I think they'd have more chance of getting votes from swing voters than Corbyn? Yes.

Do I think Corbyn is going to persuade swing voters to switch from voting Tory to voting Labour? No

I have voted Con and LubDem in the past.

I would vote for a Blairite Labour, especially now, but not for Corbyn.

Justanotherlurker

Deficit has come down from the highs after the GFC but the amount the country owes (debt) has gone up massively, whats your point?

When the GLOBAL financial crisis hit the whole world, Brown was internationally praised for his Keynesian policy of using public spending to save the economy. This was adopted by the USA who emerged from the crisis far quicker than we did. The economy was on an upward trend when Osborne took over and reversed the policy. We're still struggling after 8 years of austerity.

But this thread is about Corbyn. When the banks collapsed, McDonnell, the man he chose to be Shad Chancellor, was videoed laughing. 'Of course, I'm pleased. I'm a Marxist!' It's another nail in Labour's coffin. Promising the earth to students to get their votes and using 'increase in Corporation tax' as a catch-all for increased spending and hand-outs undermines public confidence in Labour's ability to run the economy. Especially post-Brexit, when we're likely to be in a dire position where he will have to break most of these empty promises.

Another reason to get rid, but so long as the membership and party apparatus are in the hands of the Corbyn cult, fat chance.

jasjas

Fair enough re mysogyny.

bananafish

Spot on. Swing voters definatly.

I think we mostly agree Corbyn is a walking disaster.

I think the student vote is much diminished now as they realise he won’t abolish tuition fees or cancel existing debt. They aren’t daft and most have seen his true colours.

His cult followers don’t care about winning elections and neither does he.

Him John and Poor old Di woukd shit themselves if they ever got into power as that’s for the grownups not us old agitators.

Honestly part of me woukd actually enjoy seeing them try to govern for 6 months just for the spectacle but my sane head realises that the country would implode.

I think he is well-intentioned and (shock, horror) honest - for a politician, But he's Soo accident-prone. Totally unelectable! And stubborn. Why is labour not making more of a fuss about homelessnessand the absolute scandal of the growth of foodbanks, and the fact that we are sleep-walking into private healthcare. It makes me sooo angr that they are giving the tories such an easy ride. Get rid of him and poach the wonderful Mhairi Black from the SNP!

Mmmm well intentioned no not getting that. I see him as massively egotistical who actually believes he’s far more able clever and better than he actually is.

Well intentioned people don’t put wreaths on the graves of terrorists, promote Self ID or fail to tackle anti semitism.

I see him as weak think skinned and unpleasant.

Thymeout

I ve listened to that video clip, yes he says he is a Marxist and that he welcomed the financial crash... in respect that he wants to use the opportunity for change, that it shows that the system is corrupt and doesn't work, which he goes on to say.
As no-one was actually held to account for what happened, indeed many became fabulously rich of the back of it,he has a point.

The problem with JC and people like McDonnell, is that the message gets lost in "i'm a Marxist", they really aren't politically aware.

We complain we want honesty in Politics but the reality is rather different.

Its true that no one outside Momentum cares about Blairites. Its old news.

Apriljune12

at the Martin McGuinness funeral, we had:

"A former American President. The Chief Constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland. And the leader of the DUP"

MG was most certainly a terrorist.

I'm surprised that well known Terrorist sympathiser Elizabeth Alexander Mary Windsor, who famously met McGiunness wasn't there too.

The problem with JC and people like McDonnell, is that the message gets lost in "i'm a Marxist", they really aren't politically aware.

Precisely

They should be running rings around TM given what a car crash the Tory government is

They should be holding the government to account

But they're more focused on socialist ideals than actually getting elected

Principles don't effect change without power

Martin most certainly was and in my view should have been in jail but he did supposedly renounce violence in his later years while those terrorists didn’t. He also met Mc Guinness when he hadn’t renounced violence.

Abbott said every victory against the British state is a victory for the British people

That’s the shadow home sec Abbott.

You literally couldn’t make it up

I would bloody welcome any Blairite government.

And so would the country

Yes a disgraceful comment, even if she did regret saying it 34 years ago and it is no longer her view.

I used to be a hard core Tory in my youth lol!

Yes compared to TM and the Tories, many would prefer a Blairite Government.

Jas - none of those people who attended McGuinness' funeral would have invited him and Addams to the HoC for tea, two weeks after the IRA had blown up a hotel full of Govt ministers in Brighton. How offensive was that?

Corbyn, McDonnell, Livingstone agreed with the aims of the IRA: to establish a socialist united Ireland. McDonnell even agreed with their methods - the bullet and the bomb. Corbyn called McGuinness a sell-out in the early days of the peace process because he thought he was giving up on the idea of a united Ireland.

When Corbyn cosies up to Palestinian terrorists, it does raise the question of whether he also supports the aims of Hamas. Whether it's to drive the Israelis into the sea or the 'right to return', both effectively mean the end of a Jewish state. This is at the root of his faction's objection to the IHRC definition. He can't support Israel's legitimacy as a state and the objectives of Hamas. The 2 are mutually exclusive. Hamas won't accept even the pre-1967 borders.

Again, what does he actually say in these 'dialogues'? I think they just sit around stirring each other up in their demonisation of Israel and the USA. Does Corbyn ever condemn Hamas atrocities, or is he just an apologist?

Deficit has come down from the highs after the GFC but the amount the country owes (debt) has gone up massively, whats your point?

Because you cannot tackle the debt with a deficit, its pretty simple really, hence why people talking about how the debt is higher than under labour are doing so in bad faith.