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AIBU to wonder why Corbyn hasn't got the boot yet?

627 replies

marsbarsandtwix · 15/08/2018 18:00

After all this recent stuff. Please could we have someone else and make labour electable again. Why is he still there and do we think he still will be for the forseeable?

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SilboCanary · 17/08/2018 09:02

Let the Tories fall on their own sword.

The problem is that they are letting us, the British population, fall on the Tory sword. It would be great if they could actually vote against the Tories instead.

apriljune12 · 17/08/2018 09:05

Op havnt read the thread but I agree.

He’s the story and always will be because he’s been a back bench Protester for years and can’t lead. It’s not in his nature.

He won’t go though until labour are decimated in the next election.

The Tories are running the show and will get stronger.

It’s a mess but a re run of militant tendancy in the 80s whenl labour imploded and Thatcher ran unchecked.

Completely the fault of momentum.

jasjas1973 · 17/08/2018 09:19

IF Brexit turns out to be an economic disaster, i'd not be ruling Labour out, even under Corbyn.
He ran the Tories close in 2017 after all, way ahead of any opinion poll.

Labour do vote against the Tories, recent votes have been decided by a handful of votes BUT the Tories (with the DUP ) have a majority in Parliament.

birdsdestiny · 17/08/2018 09:24

Jasjas, perhaps you could read the context, and could you be any more patronising. I have read the whole thread and hundreds like them. Again and again in this thread the cry is but the Tories, that is not good enough me. Those involved with that section of the party only have two songs, 'but the Tories' and 'right wing press conspiracy', they have been singing these songs for 40 + years, excuse me if I don't join you in the chorus.

Thymeout · 17/08/2018 09:31

In the photos where Corbyn is actually carrying the wreath, he is standing front centre under an awning in the part of the cemetery dedicated to PLO graves, including the masterminds of the Munich Massacre. At the wreath-laying for victims of the airstrike, he's standing 3 rows back, with no wreath.

This was only 4 years ago. In the column he wrote in the Morning Star a few days later, he specifically says that he didn't only honour those killed in the air strike, but other 'victims of terrorism', referencing one who was assassinated in Paris. The inference is that Mossad was behind the attacks.

Yes he got the date wrong and it's entirely possible that he got muddled and laid the conference wreath on the wrong grave, but it's extremely damaging to try to deny photographic evidence.

What I'd like to know is what he actually says in this dialogue he's having with murderous terrorists to excuse his frequent appearances standing next to them.

theduchessstill · 17/08/2018 09:35

Cooper and Starmer would just attract negative press about their Blair connections

I honestly don't think they would - not to the extent that JC does by a long, long way. And unlike JC, esp in the case of YC, there are many good things that have been done that could be pointed to in rebuttal.

I know Blair will be forever tainted by Iraq, but no one hates him as much as his own party do, and that's ridiculous because he was immensely successful. The failure of the party to celebrate that is one of the reasons it's in the shit it's in now and JC is a big part of that, pompously refusing to share a platform with Blair and arrogantly (and ineffectually it turns out) talking about having him tried as a war criminal. I'd also put some blame at Ed Milliband's door as well, as in the early years of the coalition there was too much passive acceptance of the ridiculous notion that Labour had wrecked the economy and not enough talking up of the good things that had been achieved. At that's all at Labour's own door.

As for YC and KS, what could they be accused of? They're not accused of colluding with Blair/Bush etc are they? So they voted for the Iraq war? Going on information they were given, the same as all the Tories who also voted for it.

Jess Philips?? FFS. This suicidal idea that we can't have a competent and experienced leader because they have worked with the most successful leader we have ever had has got to stop. It's killing the party and, more importantly, allowing the Tories to damage, perhaps irreparably, the welfare state, harming the most vulnerable people in our society.

Metoodear · 17/08/2018 09:49

I think we’re going round in circles guys

Anyone who is actually not a member of the cult that is JC knows these things

You will never see PM Corbyn unless he can get people who vote Tory to vote for him

No one has even thought about how it would play out in NI having him as PM

And the issue of Corbynomics the county would be broke with in a week

Metoodear · 17/08/2018 09:51

Would share a platform with Blair or Dave Cameron

But happy to with ............
Answers on a postcard

apriljune12 · 17/08/2018 09:55

You can’t argue with momentum. You can’t srgue with Corbyn worshippers because they actually don’t care if labour are electable or not.

Most are kids who don’t really understand and the older ones are the hard left that ruined labour in the 80s and are having another go.

They hate Blaire not because of Iraq but because he was electable and sucessful. It’s osthetic.

SilboCanary · 17/08/2018 09:56

Labour do vote against the Tories, recent votes have been decided by a handful of votes

It’s not quite true. If all the Labour MPs had voted against the govt they would have been defeated on some key votes. Some of the Tories didn’t vote with the govt.

ThinksTwice · 17/08/2018 09:59

Thedutchess it's a whole other thread topic wise but it wasn't a ridiculous notion, Labour did wreck the economy. They failed to ensure the U.K. was in a position to weather the storm that was the worldwide economy crash. They ensured we were completely and utterly skint, that more people than ever were trapped on benefits and screwed over people's pensions. The worldwide crash would have still happened but if labour had focused more on ensuring our economy in the U.K. was strong, like it was when they took over office in 1997, it may have weathered the storm better than it did. Instead they spent all the money on a jolly. Very irresponsible.

ThinksTwice · 17/08/2018 10:03

"They hate Blaire not because of Iraq but because he was electable and sucessful. It’s osthetic."

I imagine they hate Blair because he was too "Tory" for them. True core labour voters wouldn't vote for him because he's too centre ground, trying to please both sides of the camp. Old labour and the likes of corbyn are true left labour.

apriljune12 · 17/08/2018 10:05

I would support Yvette cooper absolutely.

teawamutu · 17/08/2018 10:07

You can’t argue with momentum. You can’t srgue with Corbyn worshippers because they actually don’t care if labour are electable or not.

This.

apriljune12 · 17/08/2018 10:09

Yes but he was electable wasn’t he. Iraq aside he was sucessful and he did some bloody good things.

The hard left just don’t like success. They celebrate protest and failure.

And then wail its all the fault of the right wing press.

Post Brexit the Tories will lurch to the right and God help us all.

jasjas1973 · 17/08/2018 10:12

As for YC and KS, what could they be accused of? They're not accused of colluding with Blair/Bush etc are they? So they voted for the Iraq war? Going on information they were given, the same as all the Tories who also voted for it

Yevette Balls(up Cooper) do we want this Blairite running the country? or Starmer the man who allowed Worboys to be released? don't let the truth get in the way of a headline in the SUN or Mail!!!

The press would find something against them both..... and we'd all believe it..... the fact the Tories also voted for the Iraq war wouldnt matter a jot, just as it doesn't matter that the tories have fcuked up this country, the focus is always on JC.

We need new blood and a new opposition, eg Macron in France.

teawamutu · 17/08/2018 10:14

How did Starmer allow Worboys to be released? Confused

theduchessstill · 17/08/2018 10:17

Thedutchess it's a whole other thread topic wise but it wasn't a ridiculous notion, Labour did wreck the economy

Well, that's not the straightforward fact you present it to be, is it?

Yevette Balls(up Cooper) Absolutely charming Angry do we want this Blairite running the country? Yes, I do for one. I would take her over the misogynistic brocialists you obviously feel at home with any day of the week. And no one outside the far left gives a fuck about who was or wasn't a Blairite 15 years ago. It's not a dirty word you know.

apriljune12 · 17/08/2018 10:21

yvette balls up cooper no need for that she’s a politician in her own right!

do we want this Blairite running the country

HELL YES.

jasjas1973 · 17/08/2018 10:22

How did Starmer allow Worboys to be released?

The Mail has already run the story.......

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5237363/Questions-Labour-John-Worboys-early-release.html

apriljune12 · 17/08/2018 10:23

The only people who use the term Blairite are the hard left Corbyn momentum what jobs.

And did anyone get the usual whiff of mysogyny there??

SillySallySingsSongs · 17/08/2018 10:24

Yevette Balls(up Cooper)

Her name is Yvette Cooper. Nice mysogeny there.

jasjas1973 · 17/08/2018 10:25

theduchessstill

the "Yvette Balls up Cooper" is an example of the sort of headline she would attract from the likes of the Mail and Sun
not what i think!!!

ThinksTwice · 17/08/2018 10:26

Of course it's fact. They inherited a good economy and left a failed economy.

That's like me spending every last penny in my house, no savings, spending more than I am bringing in etc then a recession happens and we as a household are up shit creek. I then solely blame the recession forgetting the fact that things wouldn't have been quite as hard as it was had I been able to manage my own finances at home first to help weather the storm.

apriljune12 · 17/08/2018 10:28

Na I think she would attract far less negative press than Corbyn as she’s not a complete idiot and hasn’t gone around putting wreaths on the graves of terrorists.

It’s not hard to not be s compleye and utter cock Womble but it’s clearly far too hard for Corbyn.