AIBU to wonder why Corbyn hasn't got the boot yet?

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After all this recent stuff. Please could we have someone else and make labour electable again. Why is he still there and do we think he still will be for the forseeable?

Silly not whataboutery at all. The title of this thread and the OP implied that JC should have been sacked because of his "anti-semitism" and attendance at a wreath laying ceremony to honour victims of the 1985 bombing of the PLO headquarters which was universally condemned - including by Margaret Thatcher. It was also attended by Lord Sheikh, a Conservatove peer. If attendance was evidence of anti-semitism, and grounds to sack JC, then we are entitled to ask what the Conservatives are doing about it too.

Silly not if it's under £600, which it was. Grasping at straws much?!

Enthusiasm so not in any officially sanctioned capacity. Thanks for clearing that up.

Silly not if it's under £600, which it was. Grasping at straws much?!

Well let's see the proof then. It's not like he hasn't changed his story about the trip a few times this week already is it.

Just think it's you who needs to research what populism actually means!

Populism: the quality of appealing to or being aimed at ordinary people

But apparently JC doesn't appeal to voters and can't win an election, unlike Ed Miliband and his wildly successful centrist policies?

Maybe not everyone hangs onto the every word of the right wing press and Prime Minister Murdoch's every word against JC.

Tories are a pile of shit, Labour MPs just want to hold onto their ministerial posts & perks so they're all as bad as each other.

Extensive steps to tackle anti semitism

That’s laughable

Oh the report - oh yes the one that claims their isn’t really an issue the one where at the press launch a Jewish MP was verbally attacked by a Corbyn supporter on a day that was sentive to her by someone who apparently didn’t know she was Jewish and Corbyn just sits there and let’s the attack carry on even though she is visibly upset and to make it worse tells the man in question I’ll text you later

The refusal to condem Livingston after his interview with Venessa Feltz until he was hounded to

The well I haven’t witnessed it so it’s not happening response that Labour stuck to over and over again even when Jewish leaders were telling them there is a problem apparently Jeremy and co knew better

Zacharyquack's

Was it under £600, that's disregarding the fact he was a back bench MP, we could play the recent momentum playbook and bring up Lord Sheikh and highlight that they have tabled a motion to expell him but then we get into the muddy waters of being populist

I work with and am good friends with lots of left wing Jews (the "wrong type") who support JC and see these "anti-semitism" smears as nothing more than blatant attempts to discredit a socialist politician and one with pro- Palestinian sympathies. They find it boring frankly and transparent. But nowhere in the media do you ever find this perspective.

He attended as former PM of GB not becuase Blair and Sharon were buddies

Blair had official political dealings with Sharon

It’s not hard to understand why he was there and why he was chosen to speak

Just think it's you who needs to research what populism actually means!

Oh I don't, hence why I wasn't swayed by his writing of uni fees, nor did I think a lifelong anti EU politician who implemented a 3 line whip to invoke art 50 and has come out on record saying that EU immigration has impacted on the working class as being anti Brexit as some on this thread imply

Corbyn is the opitimy of a vasal politician. His advocates demonstrate the mental gymnastics daily and have done on this thread, as have you with your wilful ignorance of the term populist

I am a floating voter, but Corbyn's Cult really unnerve me. I think it is the "messianic" tone.
Particularly the "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" chants. Really uncomfortable with the whole feel of it. Very disturbing to me.

Further to my previous post about Stop the War etc., those interested in Corbyn's past record as being on the right side of history should read up about his views on the Balkan wars, Kosovo, Milosevic, Srebenica etc.

Looking forward to the Ipsos enquiry into press reporting of Wreathgate. I think Labour HQ have shot themselves in the foot there. More errors in Corbyn's versions of what happened than what was in the papers. Just digging a deeper hole.

I work with and am good friends with lots of left wing Jews (the "wrong type") who support JC and see these "anti-semitism" smears as nothing more than blatant attempts to discredit a socialist politician and one with pro- Palestinian sympathies. They find it boring frankly and transparent. But nowhere in the media do you ever find this perspective.

There are two Jewish groups who have made the press in support of Corbyn. The first is Jewdas. They are essentially a group of young left wing North London mates, highly educated, highly irreverent, who have set up a group to take the piss out of the mainstream Jewish communities. There is nothing wrong with that (it’s what being young is for after all) but they only represent themselves and there are very few of them.

The second is Jewish Voice for Labour. This group was set up in July 2017 simply to support Corbyn and to argue pro Palestine and against people accusing Corbyn of anti-semitism. They are interviewed quite regularly by the BBC for example. Again this is a fringe group (a bit like the fringe group Jews for Jesus). If you polled the UK’s 300,000 Jews, I would be amazed if they had even 10% support. You can hardly argue their opinions are not heard in the media though.

The terrorists originally referenced weren’t buried there. Some alleged to be involved in the attack were, but in a different part of the grave yard. You don’t not have a memorial for a group of people brutally killed just because some people you don’t agree with are is the same burial ground. The press have been reported to the regulating authority so we’ll see how that plays out.

And does no one find it odd that the Labour MPs calling for Corbyn’s resignation are all given hefty hand outs from friends of Israel?

I mean, that stellar chap/ mass murderer Benjamin Netanyahu criticised Corbyn so he must be a wanker.

And clearly a large amount of the public aren’t duped by the fabrication of the press as labour have increased in the polls.

The press have been reported to the regulating authority so we’ll see how that plays out.

Well yes considering he has repeatedly changed his own story this week.

And clearly a large amount of the public aren’t duped by the fabrication of the press as labour have increased in the polls.

I mean they are doing really well considering how bad the current government are hey

And does no one find it odd that the Labour MPs calling for Corbyn’s resignation are all given hefty hand outs from friends of Israel?

Come on, spit it out, what do you actually mean.

ZacharyQuacks Welcome to Mumsnet! It's so nice when lots of new people all choose to congregate on a political thread isn't it?

Its pathetic that your response to points raised are that "oh you only joined to defend JC..."

As i said earlier, i believe JC to be weak and ineffective and should step down, however this crap about him being anti semetic and a terrorist sympathiser, is just the media & the Tories running scared that Labour might get into power.
They do it every single time Labour ever look like getting into power or draw close in the opinion polls.

So we ve some very real issues caused by spending cuts in this country (i raised women's refuges) many costing lives (nhs, childrens services, adult social care even road mtce) but what is being highlighted to the public? ???
Corbyn attended a wreath laying ceremony 26y ago and because he cant remember the precise details he is guilty as sin and when the allegation is proven to be false and other dignitaries were also there then its jumped on that his trip may have cost more than £600...FFS.

It really is desperation..

Corbyn attended a wreath laying ceremony 26y ago

Nope 2014 but facts hey.

then its jumped on that his trip may have cost more than £600...FFS.

So one rule for one etc. The rules are you declare it. Would you have the same attitude if it was a Tory who didn't declare? I doubt it.

Yes you are correct, 2014. 1992 was when one of the Munich terrorists was killed., so JC should have a better recall of events.
As i said, he is ineffectual but it doesn't alter the fact that he didn't lay a wreath for the Munich killers.

Well, Boris didn't abide by the ministerial code and signed a contract to be a Newspaper columnist, instead of seeking permission and waiting 3 years, a far bigger transgression! so thank you for giving me the opportunity to mention it :)

Its pathetic that your response to points raised are that "oh you only joined to defend JC..."

No, I as a left-wing voter want a Labour leader that SWING VOTERS will vote for.

Labour are stuffed. It doesn't matter if Corbyn is the saintliest politician that ever lived if the swing voters won't vote for him.

That's why I'm frustrated! It doesn't matter if every single one of the thousands of voters in an already solidly Labour constituency vote for him. It doesn't matter if every member of the Labour Party vote for him. YOU NEED SWING VOTERS TO VOTE FOR HIM!

Get rid of him! Then we might have a fighting chance of getting rid of the Conservatives.

It really is that simple.

Well, Boris didn't abide by the ministerial code and signed a contract to be a Newspaper columnist, instead of seeking permission and waiting 3 years, a far bigger transgression! so thank you for giving me the opportunity to mention it

Incorrect again. Its 3 months not years.

He has been rightly criticised for it. Do you not think the same should happen to Corbyn?

Boris did that, the Tories did worse blah de blah. I DON'T VOTE TORY. If your answer is repeatedly that the Tories are worse, then that is not good enough for me. I want more from the Labour party than that. My expectations are higher for Labour because I have voted for them all my life. Not now though.

Perhaps but replace with who?

Cooper and Starmer would just attract negative press about their Blair connections
Jess Phillips would be my choice but i'd imagine her left wing past would soon catch her up, she resigned from the Labour party under T.Blair... maybe that's a plus?

I have only read part of the thread so apologies.

In my part of the country momentum have bullied out some very good long standing labour councillors. They are now reluctant independents. The conservatives are bucking the national trend and gaining seats from other parties.

Labour is becoming more electable here as a result but is still way behind the others.

I won't give away my politics but I am a sitting councillor.

He has been rightly criticised for it. Do you not think the same should happen to Corbyn?

Sure, if thats what he has done, but its a big leap from Terrorist Sympathiser to he didnt register a trip abroad.

Birds read the context, the allegations against JC are bollox, 'sally just gae me the opportunity to mention BJ's issues.

re 3 years/months I ve been up all night after DD had a post A level party and am feeling shite :( apologies yet again!