AIBU to wonder why Corbyn hasn't got the boot yet?

[marsbarsandtwix]

After all this recent stuff. Please could we have someone else and make labour electable again. Why is he still there and do we think he still will be for the forseeable?

"I support Corbyn's policies because for the first time in my life we have something outside of the disasterous neo liberal consensus. A neo liberal consensus coupled with austerity that has given us inequality, low pay, unaffordable housing, curtailed union rights, privitasation, third rate infrastructure etc etc. "

^^

This proves my point on what I just said.

You either support an alternative - it doesn't have to be Corbyn at the helm - despite the cries of cultist- it could be anybody. Its an alternative, a new discussion. Otherwise you get more of the same, another generation of moaning about how shit things are.

That's why you support Corbyn

We know you're not a fan of neoliberalism

You've made that very clear

But in order for him to get elected he has to get support from Tory voters

Simply waiting for these voters to decide they want a socialist alternative isn't exactly a bulletproof strategy to obtaining a majority

Ghost ran away from the most recent thread about Corbyn and anti semitism once actual tangible evidence started to be posted

Also, I notice, after posting that they want honest conversation about everything from anti semitism to hijabs, then being asked to respond to the countless questions already raised

Odd, that ...

I support Corbyn's policies because for the first time in my life we have something outside of the disasterous neo liberal consensus

And you have demonstrated great mental hoops that you have to go through being a rabid Corbyn supporter and Remainder.

You still think the EU is not Noe liberal or that Corbyn has been anti EU his whole career even voting for multiple referendums in the past.

Oh and according to the gutter press

Well having just seen what the Morning Star has written about the Munich widows, Corbyn supporting media are in the gutter too.

Inequality isn't anything new. It's been around throughout history. There have and always will be the rich and the poor.

Low pay is the result of a number of factors. Some could argue that the introduction of Tax Credits (introduced by New Labour) meant employers didn't put wages up because people were having their incomes topped up by tax credits. It got to a stage where if people did more hours their tax credits were reduced, so they were better off not increasing their hours.

The rise of employment from abroad also meant foreign workers were wiling to work for less pay than British workers. Hence the term "cheap foreign labour." The pay here is often better than the country they came from so it's win win for them and it meant employers could employ people on the cheap.

Does anyone seriously think that the Labour party represents the views of working class people in the UK ? Because if it was it would be supporting what the majority of them voted for ie Brexit and not the knee jerk anti everything the Government is trying to do and yes the Governement do deserve lots of criticism for their cack handed handling of the arrangements . The narrative of blaming the far right for the Brexit vote and all the problems of the country is really offensive to all the decent working class people who thought about the issues and how they had been affected by the EU and voted accordingly

The Labour Party has no interest in its traditional core vote.

It's a massive public sector/union voter block voting in its own interests and arm twisting benefit claimants to do the same - which is why the party wanted every household claiming money from the government.

The main interest they have in anyone else is to try and make up the numbers - impressionable left wing students and other groups with whom stuff like anti-Semitism, sorry "anti-zionism" plays well.

See how they protected their former traditional voters' kids in places like Rotherham for an idea of how much (and about who) they give a shiny shit. They'd feed the whole British working class/underclass, and British Jews for that matter into a giant food blender if it would get them a couple of million votes from their new core voters.

Of course there are, so again, when has he seen both sides? He never does. His views are cast in stone. I'm a floating voter but will never vote for him and his front bench. What an absolute shower.

See how they protected their former traditional voters' kids in places like Rotherham for an idea of how much (and about who) they give a shiny shit.

Well said. Unforgivable.

Corbyn devotees really need to read up on the man these stories are nothing new he never ever supported the EU or was a part of any peace process and where are all his visits to those who died in IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah terrorist attacks

Not believe Seumas Milne’s spin on Corbyn

Laughable those that question Corbyn and his history are accused of being brainwashed by right wing media. I have never seen such adoration or devotion to a party diehard leader in the uk not even Thatcherite’s were so fervent in their support for her

Utterly foolish and has allowed Labour to waste three years and probably set Labour back another few more

I don't know much about corbyns past. But even I have been jumping through mental hoops to grasp ghosts love for jc but also his hating of the leave contingent. Even I know jc was for leave.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

I really can't understand the Corbyn left's adoption of "mainstream media" as a way to explain Corbyn's relative lack of success. First, they must know this is taken directly from Trump's war on the press. Do they really want to fight the same battle against facts that Trump is? Second, in the UK we have the Mirror, Guardian and Independent in terms of newspapers on the centre to left. For TV there is the BBC of course which is always criticised from both sides of the political spectrum. If their politics is too far left for any of those then it's hard to see how they can get elected to represent the majority of the UK!

Unison general secretary Dave Prentis called on Labour to change its code of conduct on anti-Semitism, warning the issue is costing Jeremy Corbyn's party votes

Prentis said anti-Semitism "should never have become such a divisive issue, an unnecessary schism in a party that on so many issues is genuinely united" .Warning it was costing Labour at the ballot box, he added: "But worse than that, it's harming Labour's historically close relationship with the Jewish community. And it's costing us the moral high ground from which to oppose all forms of racial hatred and oppression."

Tim Roache, general secretary of the GMB union, also called on Labour to do the same, arguing that the party is ‘knocking lumps out of each other’ when it should be exploiting Tory divisions

Usdaw chief Paddy Lillis was the third union leader to call on Labour to adopt the full antisemitism definition

But I suspect the votes of the Jewish community aren't as important to Labour as the Momentum devotees who sent MPs like Luciana Berger and Ruth Smeeth death threats and torrents of antisemitic abuse. Numbers game and all that.

It's OK for a protester to see things in black and white. But Corbyn is far too partisan about the Middle East situation for the leader of a mainstream party aspiring to be PM. He's stone deaf to any criticism of Hamas or any explanation of what he sees as Israel's imperialist aggression.

He tried to deflect attention from the wreath-laying saga by referencing Israel killing a pregnant mother and her toddler. No mention at all of the 160 missiles that rained down on the civilian population of Israel in one night that prompted the reprisal air-raid on Hamas weapon stores.

He never talks about the role of Egypt in the blockade or the reasons for the blockade, or the denial of citizenship to Palestinian immigrants in Arab countries, or the split between Hamas in Gaza and the Palestinians on the West Bank and its effect on the Peace Process.

And why so quiet about Assad and chemical weapons, or Russian carpet bombing in Syria? The press haven't started on his attitude to NATO yet. Plenty of video on that. He thought it should be disbanded when the Warsaw Pact came to an end. I wouldn't like to be living in one of the Baltic states if Corbyn were in No 10.

Yes - please read up about Stop the War, in coalition with Free Palestine. Corbyn was chair until he was elected Leader. Caroline Lucas resigned because of what was written about the terrorist attacks on Charlie Hebdau. They even published an article blaming Israel for the Munich massacre.

He is not at all a nice man.

Because he is the only politician genuinely interested in creating peace

Because he is the only politician genuinely interested in creating peace

So who in Israel has he met? Which loyalists did he meet during the Troubles?

he is the only politician genuinely interested in creating peace

@SillySallySingsSongs Which loyalists did you meet during the Troubles?
Politics is all of our responsibility.

I meant did he meet trying to type on a bus

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/16/labour-complains-to-regulator-over-coverage-of-cemetery-visit

I saw that about him complaining. This is a man who changed his own story a number of times during the week.

Surely it's not so much about him changing stories or even regulatory complaints?

Is it really possible JC fails to grasp that this is about overall behaviour/perception and the judgement required to avoid walking into these situations in the first place??

I meant did he meet trying to type on a bus You were right the first time.
@SillySallySingsSongs Which loyalists did you meet during the Troubles? Politics is all of our responsibility.

away Derxa.

Jeremy Corbyn is the only politician genuinely interested in creating peace.

The end.

Jeremy Corbyn is the only politician genuinely interested in creating peace.

I know Corbyn supporters believe this but I don't understand why. He comes down clearly on one side of all the conflicts I know about (pro IRA, pro Hamas etc). How is that being pro peace? He just wants one side to defeat the other. Typically not our side.