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Metoodear · 2018-08-13T14:23:24+00:00

We’re are the calls for Corbyn and the rest of the any semites to step down https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/13/jeremy-corbyn-admits-present-wreath-laid-munich-massacre-terrorists/ The silence speaks for it self

Bingpot · 13/08/2018 22:10

*That should have read 'undeserving' not 'underserving'

My2favboys · 13/08/2018 22:20

Can I ask? Is there a difference between anti Semitic and anti Israel?

TornFromTheInside · 13/08/2018 22:24

I think there is, yes. Others may disagree.

I mean, believing Ireland should be one country, or believing Northern Ireland should remain part of the UK doesn't mean you are pro or anti-Irish - it just means you favour one solution over another.

My2favboys · 13/08/2018 22:41

Not sure if you're replying to me TornFromTheInsid being from the north of Ireland I'm not getting into that! But have been meaning to post about this for ages, what has happened/saidby ice that is so anti Semitic?

My2favboys · 13/08/2018 22:43

**ic as in Jeremy Cobyn

DaisyTwirl · 13/08/2018 22:43

Owen 'Squealer' Jones has started the counter-offensive now, in solidarity with Comrade Corbz.

According to Squealer, "nobody was ever killed by a wreath"

Well, that's ok then!
Thank goodness!

It's totes ok to commemorate & celebrate terrorists & murderers because wreaths don't kill...

Ffs.

My2favboys · 13/08/2018 22:52

But a terrorist is really subject. People were called terrorist who gave their lives fighting for equality/civil rights? Sometimes the desperate acts of a terrorist is only to draw attention to the suffering of their fellow people, who are being driven out of their own homes, shot for throwing a stone. I can't understand how the world turns a blind eye?

KittyHawke80 · 13/08/2018 22:52

Of course there’s a difference. Being anti-Semitic means an irrational hatred of Jews based upon an historic stereotype of members of the faith being avaricious, mean, sly, self-serving: Shylock in ‘The Merchant of Venice’; Fagin in ‘Oliver Twist’. Being anti-Israel is acknowledging the dreadful wrongs that have been done, but finding its present-day treatment of Palestinians, fucking intolerable.

KittyHawke80 · 13/08/2018 22:53

‘Comrade Corbz’. Brilliant. Let’s get you back to bed, Senator McCarthy . . .

YouTheCat · 13/08/2018 22:55

Couldn't have put it better myself, Kitty.

TornFromTheInside · 13/08/2018 22:56

Yeah was to you My2.
I'm not sure what he's said.
The way it reads to me is that the Labour Party have an internal battle going on with some seemingly anti-Semitic members (at least that's the accusation). Corbyn's attempted to declare there is no place for anti-Semites, but folks are picking apart his definition of anti-Semitism and specific wording - which may or may not be an opportunity to vent their issues with Corbyn as a leader in general.

The media are all over it and they are desperately trying to find evidence of his own anti-semitism (if it exists). They've brought back a story that was around in 2017 about him honouring a PLO member alleged to have been behind the Munich terrorism (he wasn't one of the actual terrorists who carried out the act, but believed to have been one of those who planned and sanctioned it).

Anyway, the link to this guy seems vague - Corbyn did take part in a Palestinian memorial ceremony, but it's not at all clear if this particular PLO leader was one of those 'honoured', and if he was, how 'aware' was Corbyn about the details of his involvement in Munich etc etc.

Regardless of all of this, there's nothing overtly anti-semitic (that I can see), although as it stands, he does look to be rather supportive of Palestine. Whether that makes him anti-Jew is another matter.

To my mind, it's all very circumstantial and speculative, but others feel his anti-Jewish sentiment is more obvious. That's a matter of opinion, and if more evidence comes to light, then of course, people can form a different view.

My2favboys · 13/08/2018 23:00

KittyHawke80 but what has jc said/done that is so I
Anti-Semitic? I've only heard him speaking out about the treatment of Palestinian people?

YouTheCat · 13/08/2018 23:02

We must not criticise the Israeli government. or they won't buy our guns .

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/08/2018 23:03

as part of a peace process, there's a fair chance we could end up remembering all those who died - and in the process inadvertently including some who carried out acts of terror

I can just about see this if the inclusion genuinely is "inadvertent" - especially as terrorists are rarely honest about their activities - and if someone's seen to seek dialogue with all legitimate parties to a disagreement

But a politician who's seen to largely disregard the views of one of those parties and, worse still, to refer to proscribed organisations of terrorists as "friends"?

Sorry, but it just doesn't fly

KittyHawke80 · 13/08/2018 23:09

I went to school with one of his biggest opponents; a Burnhamite through and through. She hasn’t missed one opportunity to damage him in two years, and if you think that she formed part of the phalanx ‘protecting’ Smeeth (from fuck all) because she genuinely thinks Corbyn is an anti-Semite, then you’re insane. Even my friend’s dad, with whom I butt heads on Facebook all the time, and who loathes JC, has admitted to being embarrassed by this pitiful attempt by Murdoch et al, to discredit him. You’ve got Esther McVey fucking up UC, the NHS being sold off piecemeal, Tories dressing up as Nazis at parties, May demonstrating daily that she can’t run a piss-up in a brewery, and this is what you think is important? Bloody hell.

HAHelp · 13/08/2018 23:13

he's terribly unlucky isn't he? always stumbling onto conference platforms, wreath laying ceremonies, meetings where people with questionable backgrounds and activities abound...

KittyHawke80 · 13/08/2018 23:13

That’s my point. He hasn’t. Because they’re not the same thing. He is critical of Israel - he is not an anti-Semite. And - crucially - no-one really believes he’s an anti-Semite. Not really. Not if they’re honest with themselves. I’m not a unstinting supporter of Corbyn by any stretch. But he’s not an anti-Semite.

KittyHawke80 · 13/08/2018 23:14

Questionable backgrounds?

My2favboys · 13/08/2018 23:20

www.bbc.co.uk/history/recent/troubles/the_troubles_article_01.shtml
Not sure if above link will work
He`s seen it before in northern Ireland and he's calling it again but some people don't like it. We thank Labour for giving a chance for all children and families equal opportunity regardless of religion. It cost too many lives in northern Ireland for people to see what was so clearly wrong. And it's happening again somewhere different!

DaisyTwirl · 13/08/2018 23:20

But a terrorist is really subject. People were called terrorist who gave their lives fighting for equality/civil rights? Sometimes the desperate acts of a terrorist is only to draw attention to the suffering of their fellow people, who are being driven out of their own homes, shot for throwing a stone.

We are talking about the Black September terrorists & the Munich massacre.

Are you seriously suggesting that they were 'giving their life fighting for equality/civil rights'?
A 'desperate act' to 'draw attention to the suffering of their fellow people'?

They were fucking murdering, scumbag terrorists who tortured & killed innocent people.

Fruitbatdancer · 13/08/2018 23:21

I am not a TM fan, but will admit to being extremely annoyed labour are so shot as I think we need a strong opposition, I’m not sure if it’s the anti Semitic attitude, the arrogance to stay in office when even your elected peers don’t want you, the beard, the bike, of the fact he shagged Diane abbot who i despise more than him. But he should definitely go.

My2favboys · 13/08/2018 23:28

KittyHawke80

That’s my point. He hasn’t. Because they’re not the same thing. He is critical of Israel - he is not an anti-Semite. And - crucially - no-one really believes he’s an anti-Semite. Not really. Not if they’re honest with themselves. I’m not a unstinting supporter of Corbyn by any stretch. But he’s not an anti-Semite.

oh my goodness I'm so glad, I thought I was going mad or that there was no difference. Is it just the media/press that doesnt see the difference?

Alltheprettyseahorses · 13/08/2018 23:31

It's long past time Corbyn stepped down. What he did was absolutely indefensible and he's done nothing but bring the Labour Party into disrepute since he became leader. There can be no triumph in his abject failure because of the cost to democracy. Unfortunately, he's probably going to cling on until the NEC change the rules to let another balloonhead become leader.

TornFromTheInside · 13/08/2018 23:32

The press don't care - it's a story. They'll build up and take down a leader as they see fit. It's happened many times.

He's proving to be quite resilient, but eventually I think his own party will sacrifice him - innocent not. That's politics.

They did this with Ed Milliband - raking up his father's previous Marxist leanings. I mean that was his father not him - but it was still deemed valid fodder to throw at him.

It's what our press do - to either party.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/08/2018 23:37

no-one really believes he’s an anti-Semite. Not really. Not if they’re honest with themselves

This is interesting. I wonder if you'd presume to tell a black person faced with racism or a muslim experiencing islamophobia the same?

It sometimes seems that Jews are the only group expected to be told what discrimination really is