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So he lied then

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Metoodear · 13/08/2018 15:23

We’re are the calls for Corbyn and the rest of the any semites to step down

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/13/jeremy-corbyn-admits-present-wreath-laid-munich-massacre-terrorists/

The silence speaks for it self

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 13/08/2018 17:03

Corbyn isn't perfect - but he has a damn sight more integrity than anyone in the present government.

They are the most corrupt, self-serving shower that have ever tried to run a country (except perhaps Blair, who was a Tory in Labour's clothing)

TornFromTheInside · 13/08/2018 17:05

+tips hat to schad+

YouTheCat · 13/08/2018 17:06

Well said, Schad.

ChristinaMarlowe · 13/08/2018 17:10

Corbyn or Johnson - That's what it's coming down to and I'd rather have Corbyn any day.
As an aside, is there anyone else that frequently confuses/accidentally interchanges the actual Boris with the cartoon Boris mayor type character in Ben and Holly in their minds eye? No one? Cough.. Er no, me neither. Obvs.

samG76 · 13/08/2018 17:12

Schaden - if he's got integrity, why not just admit it in the first place, instead of being extremely vague and changing the story whenever the previous version is proved wrong. If he is proud of laying a wreath for Bseiso, he should say so. If not, he should apologise. It's the constant lying that makes people suspect he's not a very pleasant character.

And Black September weren't fighting for Palestinian self-determination, but to get rid of Israel by force.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/08/2018 17:12

Puzzlad - that was between 9 am and lunchtime, but it has now changed

Ah, I see - it's not always easy to keep up with the barrage, is it? Hmm

And thanks, Bingpot, for the linked article. I hadn't realised there were so many photos of the place out there, and it's perhaps becoming clearer why Corbyn's pulling the "doesn't think" and "can't remember"

TornFromTheInside · 13/08/2018 17:12

I can remember Corbyn being grilled on 'would you press the button'. He stood firm when it would be all too easy to say 'yes, if the circumstances were so bad, I'd press it'.

But he didn't do that. He argued (correctly) in my opinion that it would be futile anyway. 10 million dead as opposed to 5 million? escalating a nuclear war further? bonkers.

He's not completely stupid - he knew it was hurting him politically, but he stood firm.

He did the same when being accused of being an IRA sympathiser. He argued that at some point, you have to talk with those you oppose. The British government was doing all sorts of behind the scenes stuff with regard to the IRA, but he expresses his honest and open view and he's the devil incarnate.

I don't think he's good for the Labour party, but that's because politics is far less about policies and more about personalities. In media terms, he's not too appealing. Boris Johnson is. But Boris Johnson will turn policy and principle on a sixpence to win votes.

I don't have to agree with everything he believes, but I can see a principled man.

haribosmarties · 13/08/2018 17:16

Youthecat Me too. I really dont get why people are wasting their anger on Corbyn. People appear to be more furious with him than they are with Boris or May etc.... so odd. Like for Corbyn suddenly everyone just developed these high standards that they didnt bother to have for anyone else...

TornFromTheInside · 13/08/2018 17:20

Our Queen met with IRA leaders, she didn't condone their actions, in fact, she positively opposed them, but she also accepted reconciliation was important and that we cannot allow the past to prevent peace.

We didn't mark her as a terrorist sympathiser.

At the same time, the politics of the Middle East is terribly complex (as is Northern Ireland), and to have empathy or sympathy for those dying on either side doesn't equate to condoning certain actions.

WittyFuck · 13/08/2018 17:23

Right wing press tell us all about the things JC has done/said over his 35 years as an MP, and we discuss them, Still better than worrying about, Brexit, Boris’nonsense, NHS, knife crime, people living and dying on the streets, poverty, food banks...What was it Corybn did again?? Don’t worry, I’ll just open the paper.

If only Corybn would support another Brexit vote, there would be an election and a landslide!

sunshinesupermum · 13/08/2018 17:26

At the same time, the politics of the Middle East is terribly complex (as is Northern Ireland), and to have empathy or sympathy for those dying on either side doesn't equate to condoning certain actions.

This.

There is so much ignorance about history in both these tragic cases.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/08/2018 17:28

to have empathy or sympathy for those dying on either side doesn't equate to condoning certain actions

Quite so - which is why I asked if he attended any memorials for those killed at the 1972 Olympics ... or, to bring it up to date, why he attended a Jewdas event but snubbed Labour Friends of Israel ... or refused an invitation to visit Yad Vashem, just for a few examples

Anyone know?

Havabiscuit · 13/08/2018 17:33

It’s interesting that the media seem to be digging through old archives to find something ( anything) that might support their terrorist, anti Semitic agenda. I’m not convinced he will be the best leader ( both main parties seem to be led by ideology rather than what’s best). All this desperate Corbyn bashing by the media however makes me much more inclined to vote for him

samG76 · 13/08/2018 17:34

Torn - i think if the Queen lay flowers at the killers of Earl Mountbatten, or the Enniskillen bombers, there may be a bit of a furore. But if she did, she would at least be saying that as a relative of a victim she wants to forgive. Corbyn wasn't in a position to do that, of course.

I wonder whether Corbyn extended sympathy to Israelis dying in the conflict. Perhaps he laid a wreath at the memorial to Maalot victims in N Israel. I suspect not, though. What do you think?

TornFromTheInside · 13/08/2018 17:37

Unless we have a full breakdown of every event he's attended over 20 years, it'll be a struggle.

Headlines like 'snubbed' are deliberately provocative.

missyB1 · 13/08/2018 17:41

Honestly the media are getting bloody desperate aren't they? I suppose they think the public have lost interest in Brexit? If people cant see through obvious bloody distraction techniques then they are thick.

SimonBridges · 13/08/2018 17:44

And where are the calls for Johnson to stand down?

Corbyn might not be to every taste but he is a dedicated politician who was one of the very few people who came out of the expenses scandal with a clean bill of health.

Havabiscuit · 13/08/2018 17:47

I find it terribly difficult to have sympathy with the Israeli Gov policies. I’ve watched for decades, right back to the Shatilla and Sabre camps. Yesterday, a journalist friend currently working in Gaza told me “ it’s time I retired”. He had just been handed the severed finger of an 18 month old baby by her mother. She wanted the story out there but you can’t report fairly in that part of the world.
I would express sympathy for any of the victims but labelling into two camps doesn’t help does it sam

TornFromTheInside · 13/08/2018 17:47

He's in a position to be condemned though isn't he?

We simply don't know what he has and hasn't done over the last 20 years or so.
If it's clearly one sided, he has issues, but we don't know if he has or hasn't marked the deaths of others.

I don't have his history in front of me. But are we arguing he should NOT have partaken in the laying of a wreath? would that have been a condemnation of their actions or abstention?

TornFromTheInside · 13/08/2018 17:51

Even if he sympathises greatly with Palestine, that's not inherently anti-Semitic. It means he doesn't agree with the status quo.
Looking back, it's fairly rational to have sympathy for the Irish, without agreeing with the IRA.

samG76 · 13/08/2018 18:07

Torn - of course, he could have sympathised with the Palestinians, but drawn the line at laying a wreath for Black September members. But this would have required a degree of political sophistication, which he seems never to have had....

TornFromTheInside · 13/08/2018 18:11

Is political sophistication a euphemism for 'smooth media persona'?

Yes, he could much better if he changed. But should he have to?

TornFromTheInside · 13/08/2018 18:14

Personally, I've grown tired of the smooth and sophisticated politician types, they merge into one mass of mediocrity in my eyes.

Their suits, their shoes, their ties... their keywords and catchphrases all watched over by spin-doctors. Is that what we want? (I think we've already got too much of it). We'll be heading further and further down the American route if we're not careful.

samG76 · 13/08/2018 18:33

This is nothing to do with smoothness, it's to do with stupidity. Suppose a leading politician had laid a wreath for the perpetrators of the 7/7 bombings in London or the "martyrs" who carried out the London Bridge attack.

A lot of people would be very hacked off, the more so if having written about it the politician forgot they had done so until reminded by the press, and even then gave evasive answers. It would raise questions of their judgement and suitability for any type of office. Nothing to do with being authentic or a lack of spin.

Havabiscuit · 13/08/2018 18:39

personally, I've grown tired of the smooth and sophisticated politician types, they merge into one mass of mediocrity in my eyes

All those grey suits! I’m fed up of them too but I don’t want a Donald trump.