SIL has not vaccinated my nieces

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My baby has been booked in for her vaccinations soon. I asked my sister in law, who has primary school aged kids, about the experience and I was flabbergasted when she said she didn't get their jabs. I can't quite believe it!

When I asked why, she said the risks outweighed the pros but she struggled to articulate what the risks were beyond 'potential death'. I said that that was also the downside of not getting the jabs too! She said she was persuaded when her friend said that the jabs couldn't be undone if her kids had a reaction.

AIBU to be shocked and quite disappointed about this? I'm not looking forward to it by any means, but the eradication of many awful diseases and protection against those still prevalent is surely a non negotiable?

When her kids don't get these diseases, she'll be vindicated but that will likely be because the majority have had their jabs rather than proving jabs were unnecessary.

I imagine I'll get over this - my child will be protected - but I'm just at hearing this news.

arthuritis Which leads to my next contentious point ... you say your children were very healthy but still had febrile convulsions etc associated with fever and that they were vaccinated?
My unvaccinated child and none of my unvaccinated friends children have ever had this. My own experience has been a small number of very mild short lived fevers

My ds had Gefs+ ie abnormal febrile seizures, where the child has more than normal and goes up until puberty ie my ds had over 20 and his last one was 13.
It is genetic and i can trace it back at least to my DGM born in 1912, my mum 1937 and sister 1964. skipped me but my dd had 4 fb between the age of 3 and 4.
It is nothing to do with vaccines and as someone else said its the first sign of fever or illness when the temperature shoots up.
Despite having over 20 febrile seizures in 12 years, ds actually was never that ill very often he got them from ear infections, colds/flus , and a bout of tonsillitis, some of the FB were 3 in day when he had food poisoning. The last one was 2 when he had walking pneumonia
So why would an informed parent take the risk of an adverse vaccine reaction to give it to their 1-year-old

Because a truely informed parent knows that the risk of the vaccine is still less than the risk of the disease even in a one year old, there is no evidence that rubella is waning as per the stats of how many people actually get rubella in the UK and there still is a risk of enciphilitis from the natural disease ie 1 in 5000

I would also point out to the poster who thinks its better for your body to get immunity form the natural disease because its healthier that measles lowers the immune system for 3 years after infection and the child is 3 times more likely to die in that time. Then there is also SSPE
Chicken pox leaves a risk of stroke as my ds's friend found out at the age of 6 when he was paralysed down one side of his body. 50% of all childhood strokes are within 6 months of chicken pox

I was relaying my personal experience ... just like everyone else....and like you just have ....

So measles lowers the immune system for 3 years? What in every case is that?
Because in my case it led to an immediate growth spurt and developmental improvement .... as was also the experience of others I know who had it

But interesting what you say about febrile convulsions not being an issue for you... so not necessarily to be feared...which is what I stated earlier in the thread.

The first Asthma inhaler was made in 1700s and used opium

Obviously nothing like the devices we have today

Bruffin you obviously never bothered to read my post.

Which is why usually it’s a waste of time bothering to post anything as it gets part read and then a little part gets jumped upon

sue it’s fascinating what they used to do

Here’s a link to the modern version
news.cornell.edu/stories/2006/06/common-asthma-inhaler-causing-deaths-researchers-assert

Which is why usually it’s a waste of time bothering to post anything as it gets part read and then a little part gets jumped upon

Exactly and then twisted and misinterpreted and then taken massive personal offence against

I have been reading this thread with interest, and as someone in my 60's I have had measles and whooping cough and never ever would have considered not having my children vacinated.
My ExH also had polio (mildly) as a child.
If you could have heard my DM talking about how distressing for the child and the parent whopping cough was, okay I survived but I have been left with a weak chest, my Exh was left with mobility problems.
Having measles as a 7 year old is a very vivid memory, high temperatures, hallucinations and convulsions.

Of course if these unvacinated children, in generations, to come become seriously ill they will of course expect the NHS to treat them!

"So measles lowers the immune system for 3 years? What in every case is that?
Because in my case it led to an immediate growth spurt and developmental improvement .... as was also the experience of others I know who had it"

Ah - the health benefits of having Measles. Yes, health professionals talk about those all the time. Not.

This person's posts to be filed under "Are you fucking kidding me?" I think.

You really can't take a case of one to be proof of anything! You have to look at the whole picture ie how it affects the majority of people.

For example my vaccinated child has never had a febrile convulsion either. That doesn't mean that no vaccinated child will ever have one. It just is an example of one.

Besides, having a growth spurt and developmental improvement, whatever that means, is not mutually exclusive with a lower-functioning immune system. An immune system only gets tested when the person comes into contact with a pathogen - perhaps you didn't? Or your immune system managed to deal with it despite being lower functioning than usual. Lower functioning doesn't mean that it disappears and stops working completely.

Reading these threads brings my latent fascist tendencies to the fore.

I would like to send anti-vaxers into exile.

Here's another Stefan Lanka link for Sue and Cath.

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/13/measles-sceptic-must-pay-doctor-100000

@RoadtoRivendell Yes... but what they failed to report was that Lanka subsequently won in the court of appeal www.whale.to/c/antivaxxer_biologist_stefan.html

@toetotoe just because you might not have heard of it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist vaxinfostarthere.com/childhood-infectious-diseases-protect-us-cancers-later-life/

But yes.. poke fun and try to ridicule anyone who doesn’t agree
I’ll try not to lose sleep ;)

bertie I decided to share a personal anecdote about my own child... like everyone else has been doing ...or is that not allowed for me?
Of course I don't think it applies to everyone else.

HazelBite
Of course if these unvacinated children, in generations, to come become seriously ill they will of course expect the NHS to treat them!

Should lung cancer patients be refused NHS treatment if they smoke? People with type 2 diabetes due to obesity, should they be refused? Breast cancer patients who haven't had a preventative mastectomy? Alcoholics with liver disease? Should they expect not to be treated on the NHS? Anyone injured in a car crash who wasn't wearing a seatbelt? Refuse to treat them too? I don't understand the vile animosity towards non-vaxxers and unvaxxed children. It's not a crime to be unvaccinated . It's a wonder how mankind survived at all before vaccines were invented given the hysteria spouted on here!

@Cathmidston

My sister, myself and my niece and nephew have all had febrile convulsions.

There seems to be a genetic element. My sister and I had fewer vaccinations than the children because there was a different schedule when we were children.

Likewise all of our cousins and their children have not had convulsions so I don't think that you can claim no vaccinations has prevented them.

You should lose sleep directing people to the crank Whale website on a parenting forum, Cath.

@arthuritis I was simply sharing my experience... I don’t even think febrile convulsions are a bad thing.
But there’s been so much mention of them along with fever spikes etc etc ...that it seemed appropriate for me to mention my OWN experience with my OWN child who hasn’t had either spikes or convulsions or anything else for that matter.... who horror of horrors happens to be unvaccinated. Not representative ...not conducive... just my own experience ....

Thanks Quibbled

Crank in YOUR opinion toetotoe but like or not he ended up not only winning but the other guy had to pay the costs

Are you suggesting measles is not a virus now?

It's a wonder how mankind survived at all before vaccines were invented given the hysteria spouted on here!

Er, mankind survived by having huge numbers of children to replace the many who died.

Crank in YOUR opinion toetotoe but like or not he ended up not only winning but the other guy had to pay the costs

On a technicality.

Too funny, Cath.

"I could tell you, but you wouldn't understand it - meanwhile here's a link to a crank website called Whale."