Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

For wanting to ring dd’s boss up and tear her a new arsehole?

227 replies

NicoAndTheNiners · 08/08/2018 17:33

I won’t actually do it but feel like it.

Dd is 17yo, in sixth form. Good, polite, hard working kid. She’s been desperate for a job and heard that a business in the village was employing.

I had slight reservations as I know this business gets through staff quickly and I’ve also seen them asking for people to work unpaid for a week on trial before potentially getting a job.

Anyway dd started working for them on a Sunday. Gets £25 for 8 hours so not even minimum wage which isn’t good. No break either. But enjoys the work and gets on with the manager ok. Manager told dd she was the best person they’d had in ages and was professional as she works hard and isn’t on her phone like others have been.

She was asked if she wanted more work over the summer and texted back to say she could work but not Tuesdays or Saturdays. They texted her back saying they wanted her to work this Tuesday (2 days before). She had plans but didn’t want to upset them so texted back and said she could work but only till 12. So did 4 hours work.

During this shift the manager made her aware of some comments that the business owner had written in a staff handbook about dd. Dd said it was an A4 page of ranting saying that dds work the previous weekend had not been up to scratch. Lots of swearing, “I’m fucking sick of x, she’s a fucking lazy bitch and I’m running out of patience”.

Dd has only told me today and broke down in tears. She says it’s not even true. She did everything she was supposed to do and spent 4 hours making the place spotless. The business involves animals and the boss was basically mad because the next morning there was animal poo about.....odd that dd finishes at 4pm so by the next morning the animals will have produced more shit. Dd Is adamant she cleaned all the poo up on her shift.

When she finished at 12 the owner refused to pay her anything because she said she hadn’t done a full shift. They’ve asked dd to work next Tuesday and said they’re doing it to teach a lesson because if she was an adult she would have to prioritise her job over driving lessons. Dd has told them she can only work the morning again and says she will do it even though she doesn’t think they will pay her again.

I’ve told her not to go back. I’ve offered to ring up and either politely or ideally not very politely tell them she won’t be coming back. I really want to ring the woman up and say I think she’s a disgusting excuse of a human who is bullying a teenager and not even paying her. I’m fucking furious. Dd says she doesn’t want any conflict and will just carry on working until the end of the summer and then tell them she needs to stop,work to concentrate on a levels.

I’m certainly planning on reporting them to whoever cares about minimum wage breaches.

OP posts:
Brambleboo · 08/08/2018 19:00

Report the place to HMRC for not paying the full minimum wage. It'll be good when you see them on the list they produce every few months.

cameltoeflappyflapflap · 08/08/2018 19:02

Go in for her. Tell the boss the behaviour is not on.

Is it a stables she works in?

tigercub50 · 08/08/2018 19:04

Anyone else hate the expression “ tear a new arsehole?

slashlover · 08/08/2018 19:05

Could she text them and double check that the pay will be £25 tomorrow and ask about Tuesdays pay? If they reply saying she wont be paid/agreeing to the £25 then it's proof that they're underpaying.

sallywinter · 08/08/2018 19:08

I had a similar experience in a cafe when I was 18. Absolute bully but it was my first job and I didn’t know any better, just thought it was all my fault. Luckily my mum twigged when I cancelled a driving lesson as my boss was insisting I worked an extra shift and gave me the courage to leave. Also let me know it was in no way my fault, but that this woman was behaving awfully. Boss then refused to send me my P45. Both of my parents worked for law firms at the time and she got a couple of strongly worded letters of headed paper...

RebeccaSterling · 08/08/2018 19:11

Once this issue is handled, you might think about trying to get her more comfortable with conflict. Maybe try some role playing exercises with family or friends in a 'safe' environment so she can practice being assertive? I think it would be easier to learn that skill young than old.

Caaarrrl · 08/08/2018 19:12

You need to explain to your daughter that as much as you respect her wishes, sometime there is just a need for mum to step in. They cannot be allowed to treat her this way at all. I would go and see them personally. They need to know that it is unacceptable. Your dd needs to know that she is worth more than this and that sometimes you need to make a fuss and face confrontation even if you'd rather not.

Mammalamb · 08/08/2018 19:13

Do it!! At the same age my dad had to do it for me!

RiverTam · 08/08/2018 19:15

OP’s DD, if you are reading - your mum is right, these people are exploiting you and you owe them nothing. It doesn’t have to be confrontational, you just say you aren’t prepared to work there any longer and refuse to get into any argument with them. It’s so important not be allow people to take advantage of you in this way, I did for years and it didn’t help me at all.

OP, agree you need to let HMRC and ACAS (I’d they are the right body) know.

LeftRightCentre · 08/08/2018 19:16

I'd dob this business in. And sorry, but I'd call this fucking woman out.

Winterbella · 08/08/2018 19:17

Definitely fight her corner and show that excuse for a human that she can’t bully people, get straight into HMRC I doubt she is actually running a proper payroll with the way she is carrying on, hopefully she’ll get a nice juicy fine for her trouble

Oliphantintheroom · 08/08/2018 19:19

As others have said if she doesn’t feel able to approach the boss and talk out these issues withOut feeling intimidated then she really needs to let you step in.
The treatment is appalling but hopefully the silver lining will be that she won’t allow any employers to get away with this in the future

noego · 08/08/2018 19:20

Your DD needs to learn that this is bullying in the workplace. She needs to deal with it in a grown up manner. It may happen in the future at another place of employment.
The correct steps need to be taken to stop it so that in future other teens are not treated this way.

SisterNotCisTerf · 08/08/2018 19:24

You posted about this job when it was on the cards OP and you were warned not to let your DD start it. You were told they would treat her like crap.

lljkk · 08/08/2018 19:31

I would have let my 17yo make that decision, too.

Arthuritis · 08/08/2018 19:35

IME any employer who is willing to break one rule is usually breaking many. Quite apart from your daughter working with no breaks, no pay and below NMW I would be worried about them potentially breaching health and safety regulations or employing "undesirable" people.

If this were my child I would be absolutely clear that this employer is breaking the law and that my child will not be involved.

chocolateworshipper · 08/08/2018 19:37

Definitely report them, regardless of what DD decides to do. Maybe also have a chat with her about the fact that if they are allowed to get away with this, goodness knows how bad their treatment of staff and animals is going to get.

furandchandeliers · 08/08/2018 19:39

I'd go in there and have the fucking lot up Angry

Bumdishcloths · 08/08/2018 19:42

Report to HMRC - beyond the not paying NMW, if nothing else this sounds like cash in hand work with no payroll so she's avoiding tax. Even if it's not that, it's possible she's running a payroll in the background, not giving payslips and short changing all her workers in cash so she can pay the tax that way. DD may not want to rock the boat but this one needs rocking to protect other people.

prh47bridge · 08/08/2018 19:56

it’s not like she gets pay slips

That is a breach of the law in itself. There is also unlawful deduction of wages (withholding pay for hours worked) and paying below the minimum wage. It makes me wonder what else they are doing wrong. Are you sure they are actually registered with the local council? There should be a licence on display. Regardless of that, employers like this deserve to be driven out of business. Permanently.

Flyme21 · 08/08/2018 20:03

"Is it a stables?" - No. Grin
It's a dog boarding kennels.

rosablue · 08/08/2018 20:03

Do you have any local Mum pages on Facebook, or local community pages?

You (or even better, your dd) could post on one for advice - don’t name the establishment but briefly explain what happened, the issues there and ask for advice.

Plenty of people will see it and guess the establishment (or ask her to dm them the name), plenty of others will give her advice of who to report the wages/no breaks/dodgy legalities/poor animal conditions. And there may be a few others on there that are in a position to offer her a job or work experience...

DelphiniumBlue · 08/08/2018 20:07

If she's not getting paid, what's the point of her continuing to work there? They've already said they won't pay for half a shift, so why is she even thinking of going in again?
And yes, in your shoes I'd be down there demanding the money she's owed.

Rebecca36 · 08/08/2018 20:21

It's appalling!
You give them Hell.

JurassicAdventure · 08/08/2018 20:46

They've got away with not paying her once, they will refuse to pay her again. Don't let her go back. Report to HMRC, I bet your local newspaper would be interested in your story too (especially if there are pictures of sad dogs in tiny cages, or unhappy teenagers holding a £5 note or whatever.)