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For wanting to ring dd’s boss up and tear her a new arsehole?

227 replies

NicoAndTheNiners · 08/08/2018 17:33

I won’t actually do it but feel like it.

Dd is 17yo, in sixth form. Good, polite, hard working kid. She’s been desperate for a job and heard that a business in the village was employing.

I had slight reservations as I know this business gets through staff quickly and I’ve also seen them asking for people to work unpaid for a week on trial before potentially getting a job.

Anyway dd started working for them on a Sunday. Gets £25 for 8 hours so not even minimum wage which isn’t good. No break either. But enjoys the work and gets on with the manager ok. Manager told dd she was the best person they’d had in ages and was professional as she works hard and isn’t on her phone like others have been.

She was asked if she wanted more work over the summer and texted back to say she could work but not Tuesdays or Saturdays. They texted her back saying they wanted her to work this Tuesday (2 days before). She had plans but didn’t want to upset them so texted back and said she could work but only till 12. So did 4 hours work.

During this shift the manager made her aware of some comments that the business owner had written in a staff handbook about dd. Dd said it was an A4 page of ranting saying that dds work the previous weekend had not been up to scratch. Lots of swearing, “I’m fucking sick of x, she’s a fucking lazy bitch and I’m running out of patience”.

Dd has only told me today and broke down in tears. She says it’s not even true. She did everything she was supposed to do and spent 4 hours making the place spotless. The business involves animals and the boss was basically mad because the next morning there was animal poo about.....odd that dd finishes at 4pm so by the next morning the animals will have produced more shit. Dd Is adamant she cleaned all the poo up on her shift.

When she finished at 12 the owner refused to pay her anything because she said she hadn’t done a full shift. They’ve asked dd to work next Tuesday and said they’re doing it to teach a lesson because if she was an adult she would have to prioritise her job over driving lessons. Dd has told them she can only work the morning again and says she will do it even though she doesn’t think they will pay her again.

I’ve told her not to go back. I’ve offered to ring up and either politely or ideally not very politely tell them she won’t be coming back. I really want to ring the woman up and say I think she’s a disgusting excuse of a human who is bullying a teenager and not even paying her. I’m fucking furious. Dd says she doesn’t want any conflict and will just carry on working until the end of the summer and then tell them she needs to stop,work to concentrate on a levels.

I’m certainly planning on reporting them to whoever cares about minimum wage breaches.

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crazycatgal · 08/08/2018 17:58

You need to report the kennels.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 08/08/2018 17:58

If that's how they treat the staff who can complain imagine how they treat the poor animals who can't!

NicoAndTheNiners · 08/08/2018 17:58

She’s not that bothered about animals that that’s why she wants to work there. Not at all. She does like animals but said she’d rsther waitress. She applied for loads of jobs and this was the only one she got.

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AnoukSpirit · 08/08/2018 17:58

They could just say they give her £40.

They could. But they would be required to have the paper trail to back it up.

Which they won't have.

This might be time for a chat with DD on why it's important to have payslips, a contract of employment, and an overview of her tax obligations (I.e. Receiving cash isn't an opt out from paying tax, what PAYE is, having to notify HMRC if she set up in self employment, etc).

Sad way to learn that employers who don't do things properly in terms of contracts, payslips, NMW, PAYE, etc also aren't likely to care how they treat you, but better she learns it now than later when she hasn't got you there as back up.

LanaorAna2 · 08/08/2018 17:58

They're crooks. Use this HMRC form to report; it's a great service.

www.tax.service.gov.uk/digital-forms/open/form/pay-and-work-rights-complaint/draft/start#1

The business will lie their heads off but hmrc have seen it all.

Pengggwn · 08/08/2018 17:58

Maybe consider putting this on social media. I agree with a previous poster who said they wouldn't house a dog in a place where they would treat a teenage employee like this. Assuming this is the full story it is disgusting.

Bluelady · 08/08/2018 17:58

Show her this thread.

Notevilstepmother · 08/08/2018 17:59

I think I would try very hard to persuade her that she isn’t to work for free. Is there anyone else she listens to, an Auntie or cousin or one of your friends? Sometimes it’s more persuasive if it’s not a parent.

CharlieWork · 08/08/2018 17:59

I get it at her age you don't want to make a fuss but someone needs to stand up for her or this will keep continuing. I'd see it as setting a good example of what you should do. Teach her with your actions and go to town OP!

DidIMissSomething · 08/08/2018 18:00

They should be giving her payslips too - illegal not to nowadays so having none to prove wages to HMRC shouldn't cause you a problem - might be difficult for the employer though...…..

delphguelph · 08/08/2018 18:01

Not to minimize the situation, but tell her that this is just a learning curve (a shit job, it's not like she'll need a reference from them or anything). Notice period not required. Tell her to find a decent job, with a decent employer.

Laiste · 08/08/2018 18:01

I'd do my damndest to pursued her otherwise OP. If i really could not then i'd tell her i'd go on my own (or with who ever you might want behind you or not) and that i was sorry but i wasn't going to let her be treated like shit and i'd get her money and report the place for the sake of the animals. I'd apologise and i'd say i wasn't expecting a thank you, and i wouldn't be angry if she wouldn't come along, but that as her mum i felt it was the right thing to do.

Then i'd do it.

NicoAndTheNiners · 08/08/2018 18:01

I’m relucatant to do anything without her agreement because she said she nearly didn’t tell me because she thought I’d ring the boss up and give her a piece of my mind.

I don’t want dd to not trust me and come to me with stuff in the future which if I ignore her wishes she might do?

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AndhowcouldIeverrefuse · 08/08/2018 18:03

The owner knows exactly what she's doing. She's taking advantage of young people and breaking a few laws, too. It's no better than plain stealing and she will get away with it until someone reports her.

Do report back OP! This is an important lesson for your DD.

greathat · 08/08/2018 18:03

This seems to be a perfect opportunity for her to learn not to be so passive. She needs to leArn some assertiveness or people will walk over her forever

spottybetty · 08/08/2018 18:03

...Staff handbook about dd. Dd said it was an A4 page of ranting saying that dds work the previous weekend had not been up to scratch. Lots of swearing, “I’m fucking sick of x, she’s a fucking lazy bitch and I’m running out of patience”.

How incredibly immature and nasty of the 'manager' and business owner. Completely shit staff management. I wouldn't let my dd go back to a place like that, and I'd be right down there telling them exactly why, and asking for her wages. Competely unprofessional.

I have no idea who to report them to, but I certianly would want to kick up a fuss and ensure they don't get to treat any other staff like that.

Your poor dd.

NicoAndTheNiners · 08/08/2018 18:04

I’ve had a big talk with dd about not being a doormat or people will take advantage. I will definitely show her this thread and will update with what we do.

But regardless of how or when she leaves I’m reporting them to the hmrc.

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19lottie82 · 08/08/2018 18:04

I understand why your DD doesn’t want to make a fuss, my DSD was like that at her age when a certain sports shop with a name ending in “direct” tried to get out of paying her holiday pay. The manager told all the young ones who didn’t know any better that they didn’t get any as they were on zero hour contracts HmmAngry

Anyway, my point it you need to sit your DD down and tell her that there is a big difference between having a good work ethic and letting someone break the law and blatantly take the piss out of her. There are plenty of employers that will pay her fairly and provide decent working conditions.

Tell her you will go in on her behalf to get her wages and say she won’t be going back, if necessary.

lanbro · 08/08/2018 18:05

They can't claim she's self employed, what she is doing doesn't fit in with the definition of self employment. They can't claim they've paid her more, they would have to prove it otherwise the will take the word of the employee. HMRC are really clamping down on it, they will not be impressed she is not recording her wages and paying cash in hand

PatchworkGirl · 08/08/2018 18:07

I'd report them. If they're happy to break the law I would also assume they can't be trusted with her safety. Is she covered by their insurance?

Tbh I'd report to HMRC either way - you don't have to tell your daughter it was you. Anyone who knows about them could have done it.

kitkatsky · 08/08/2018 18:07

She should leave and you should advise her on reporting them for being utter shits, but she should be the one to ring and rip them a new one. If she wasn't continuing in education this might be an actual job. She's practically an adult and sticking up for herself in the workplace is part of growing up. I understand you wanting to stick up for her and I do think u should do what you want to name and shame the business locally, but quitting etc has to be done by her

PatchworkGirl · 08/08/2018 18:08

Sorry cross post - I see that you plan to :)

Racecardriver · 08/08/2018 18:08

Tell her to quit and then go the the employment tribunal for unpaid wages (it will be a good experience for her)

GreenTulips · 08/08/2018 18:10

She really needs to photograph the cages and A4 pad and her pay packet

Let her go and get some proof

She should reply - I can do 1/2 day Tuesday but you will need to pay me as you refused last week

Get them to out something in writing

InfiniteVariety · 08/08/2018 18:10

Please change the title of the thread OP which sounds both alarming and very painful!