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For wanting to ring dd’s boss up and tear her a new arsehole?

227 replies

NicoAndTheNiners · 08/08/2018 17:33

I won’t actually do it but feel like it.

Dd is 17yo, in sixth form. Good, polite, hard working kid. She’s been desperate for a job and heard that a business in the village was employing.

I had slight reservations as I know this business gets through staff quickly and I’ve also seen them asking for people to work unpaid for a week on trial before potentially getting a job.

Anyway dd started working for them on a Sunday. Gets £25 for 8 hours so not even minimum wage which isn’t good. No break either. But enjoys the work and gets on with the manager ok. Manager told dd she was the best person they’d had in ages and was professional as she works hard and isn’t on her phone like others have been.

She was asked if she wanted more work over the summer and texted back to say she could work but not Tuesdays or Saturdays. They texted her back saying they wanted her to work this Tuesday (2 days before). She had plans but didn’t want to upset them so texted back and said she could work but only till 12. So did 4 hours work.

During this shift the manager made her aware of some comments that the business owner had written in a staff handbook about dd. Dd said it was an A4 page of ranting saying that dds work the previous weekend had not been up to scratch. Lots of swearing, “I’m fucking sick of x, she’s a fucking lazy bitch and I’m running out of patience”.

Dd has only told me today and broke down in tears. She says it’s not even true. She did everything she was supposed to do and spent 4 hours making the place spotless. The business involves animals and the boss was basically mad because the next morning there was animal poo about.....odd that dd finishes at 4pm so by the next morning the animals will have produced more shit. Dd Is adamant she cleaned all the poo up on her shift.

When she finished at 12 the owner refused to pay her anything because she said she hadn’t done a full shift. They’ve asked dd to work next Tuesday and said they’re doing it to teach a lesson because if she was an adult she would have to prioritise her job over driving lessons. Dd has told them she can only work the morning again and says she will do it even though she doesn’t think they will pay her again.

I’ve told her not to go back. I’ve offered to ring up and either politely or ideally not very politely tell them she won’t be coming back. I really want to ring the woman up and say I think she’s a disgusting excuse of a human who is bullying a teenager and not even paying her. I’m fucking furious. Dd says she doesn’t want any conflict and will just carry on working until the end of the summer and then tell them she needs to stop,work to concentrate on a levels.

I’m certainly planning on reporting them to whoever cares about minimum wage breaches.

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StellaHeyStella · 08/08/2018 17:45

Yes get down there and rip her a new one at your earliest convenience, make it nice and loud and as public as you can manage.

NicoAndTheNiners · 08/08/2018 17:45

I don’t know how she can prove what they’re paying her though....it’s not like she gets pay slips. They could just say they give her £40.

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RedPandaMama · 08/08/2018 17:46

If they aren't paying her minimum wage or giving breaks they are against the law. She/you need to tell them they pay her what they owe her or you're reporting them.

Laiste · 08/08/2018 17:46

Report them as pps have suggested.

And then get down there and get your daughters wages she's owed.

We've had to do this for 2 of our DDs when they were young teens. One was a dodgy cafe owner and DH had to go down and ask for the money.

Second time it was a hairdresser taking the piss and i went in with DD and stood nearby while she asked for her wages.

Worked both times. Neither job was worth worrying about getting references from or anything. We laugh about it now, but these people exploiting youngsters are fuckers and need someone their own size to stand up to them occasionally.

RANT! sorry.

Sitranced · 08/08/2018 17:46

Not paying min wage, no breaks and not paying for work completed is illegal. Report to Acas.

ToadOfSadness · 08/08/2018 17:48

If they treat the staff like that I wouldn't want to board an animal there, sounds terrible.

Laiste · 08/08/2018 17:49

They could just say they give her £40.

Don't even waste your breath arguing the toss. Ask them for the money. Ask again. Ask a third time and say if they don't hand it over now you'll be going home and reporting them, tweeting and facebooking aaaaall about it. and that you'll be back with someone bigger.

BackWhenIWas4 · 08/08/2018 17:50

YANBU but reporting them would be even better.
www.citizensadvice.org.uk/work/rights-at-work/pay/getting-paid-less-than-minimum-wage-or-living-wage/

PrimalLass · 08/08/2018 17:50

I would probably also trash them on social media. Who wants to leave their dogs with someone like that?

NicoAndTheNiners · 08/08/2018 17:51

Oh I would happily go down there and insist on her wages but dd doesn’t want me to.

And dd says the dogs are in fairly horrible, too small kennels. Though I assume they must be regulated and inspected by the council. But some kennels are are smaller than others and dd says sometimes a dog will have such little space it can’t stand up unless it’s half in its bed.....the bed takes nearly all the floor space up.

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WhoWants2Know · 08/08/2018 17:51

I'd probably find the kennel's social media and blast them there too. Who wants to leave their dogs to be looked after by exploited youngsters?

Esspee · 08/08/2018 17:51

You ARE letting her work for less than minimum wage. You are her parent and she lives at home so under your care and protection. Please do not allow her to be exploited in this way.

mintich · 08/08/2018 17:52

Get her out of there and start looking for a new job

FlyingElbows · 08/08/2018 17:52

This practice is absolutely endemic in the horse world so I'm not surprised at all to hear it happening in dogs. Op they will claim your daughter is "self employed" to get out of any tax or employment rights issues. Your child is being exploited and they will use her whichever way they please. Just tell her to leave because there is literally no benefit to working like this. Loving the animals is how this exploitation carries on.

CharlieWork · 08/08/2018 17:53

Well that's one thing to bring up then as well! From ACAS "All employees must be provided with a wage slip. This is legally referred to as an itemised pay statement and it must be provided on or before each pay date."

Goldmandra · 08/08/2018 17:53

I don’t know how she can prove what they’re paying her though....it’s not like she gets pay slips. They could just say they give her £40.

They also can't prove they are paying her £40 or anything at all for that matter.

This company needs to be named and shamed locally.

biscoffbaby · 08/08/2018 17:53

That are absolutely taking the piss.
They obviously think she'll just take it but luckily for her she has you to stick up for her

Elephant14 · 08/08/2018 17:54

No, Op that's not ok. they are treating the dogs and your DD appallingly. You can't let her go back, if she made that decision without listening to you I would be seriously worried about either your standards of self respect as a family or that she was being coerced.

Report as far and wide as possible. Don't let your daughter be party to those animals suffering, the boss etc sound like they could step things up if she stays there.

Laiste · 08/08/2018 17:55

Why doesn't she want you to specifically? IIRC one of mine was a bit nervous of us stepping in but with a bit of encouragement and a rant about fairness and not letting the bastards get away with it she agreed. Now she proudly tells mates the tale about how she wasn't going to be treated like a doormat and went and got her wages! Grin

The place sounds awful. Report them to as many authorities as you can weather your DD gets her money or not.

NicoAndTheNiners · 08/08/2018 17:56

I’ve told her I don’t want her to go back and that it’s wrong what they’re doing. She’s thinking about it. She’s meant to be there tomorrow.

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MyDirtyLittleSecret · 08/08/2018 17:56

There's a time to step back with teens and there's a time to step up for them and while I'd normally say this is a time for you to step up I'm really torn about this one tbh. Like you OP, I'd want to go in and rip shreds off this horrible woman to protect my 17 year from what sounds like her appallingly abusive workplace practises. That said, your daughter has said she doesn't want any fuss. Is she worried maybe that word might get around and she might be unable to get another job? You say it's with animals, so is it something she wants to do so badly she'll suck up the poor working conditions just for the opportunity to be around the animals?
Would an anonymous tip-off to authorities do any good?

Notevilstepmother · 08/08/2018 17:56

I’d want to know if I was taking my dog to a place that treats the staff badly. FWIW I didn’t see any turnover of staff in many years where I went so I’m assuming they didn’t behave like this.

gandalf456 · 08/08/2018 17:56

You have to register to be self employed

NicoAndTheNiners · 08/08/2018 17:57

She just says she doesn’t like to make a fuss/doesn’t like conflict. Don’t know where she gets it from as I have no problem giving people a piece of my mind when it’s deserved.

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vincettenoir · 08/08/2018 17:57

Sorry OP. This sounds awful. I feel for you and dd. I hope it all works out ok in the end. I agree with you that it is your daughter’s choice to decide. She’s lucky to have a supportive mum like you to guide her.

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