To think Boris Johnson should be be thrown out of Tory party?

[crunchymint]

He is clearly racist. He should be thrown out of the Conservative party.

Sorry are you

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom to take the piss.

Yes it does.

I’d hope most people would want higher standards from politicians than comedians. Unless you think Roy chubby brown would make a good cabinet minister.

**Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom to take the piss.

Yes it does. It’s called political satire.

Of course the kippers, the Tommy Robinson fan club, the headbangers from the Tories etc. are loving this from Johnson.

That is why it is even more important that everyone else engages in a proper debate on the subject and doesn't let them run with it by saying "he's racist!" "he's targeting women!" "what about the DUP?" Most people do not like the burqa in Britain. People from "the left", people from "the centre", "feminists", "libertarians", "liberals", "atheists" etc. etc. etc. Stop focusing Johnson - it's been said enough times that he is an absolute sleazebag who will say whatever he needs to for his self-advancement. We need to stop fanning his fire and take back the conversation... but we still need to have the conversation.

mirialis

Totally agree

I actually am quite scared that anyone can say ‘freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom to take the piss’ that is a very frightening path to go down.

Ghosto

I don’t think Boris’s comments were similar to Roy chubby Brown do you? No of course not.

The conversation focuses on one religion which is wrong. Othering. Scapegoating.

It’s why the far right focus on Muslim grooming gangs not white christian ones.

And again I say the far left are strangling the Labour Party and the far right the Tories. And both support a hard Brexit.

Scary times

Why is saying freedom of speech not take the piss so frightening?

People who champion freedom of speech are usually those who think it’s ok to laugh, poke fun etc at minorities. That is what this is about.

It would be different, very different, if Boris were an Islamic figure and he was taking the piss out of something within his own culture. That is what satire is about. The likes of spitting image, on the thick of it etc etc.

He isn’t. He’s taking the piss out of a minority. A very very tiny minority.

Wow comedians in the uk are always taking the p out of religion. Do you ever go out Believeitornot? Religions are the most rediculous, there is a lot to take the piss out of

Muslim grooming gangs were allowed to flourish because virtue signallers and social workers were afraid to be called islamophobic or racist pure and simple. That’s not up for debate that fact.

The conversation is not focusing on one religion ghosto dont worry Corbyn is seeing to that.

The thread is about burkas so of course that’s where the focus is. What would you rather us talk about?

Comedians are not renound for dog whistling. Again, look at motives.

Not the ones I watch @Gin96

Believeitornot

Are you in Britain?

freedom of speech is usually championed by those who love to take the piss out of minorities

Freedom of speech is a cornerstone of a democratic liberal western democracy that millions of people have died defending.

Honestly you sound very frightening

Really @Cuppaorwine

Nothing to do with the fact that budgets for social care have been absolutely decimated which makes it harder for services to work together properly? It’s about picking up and challenging child sexual abuse and the failings of social services. Blaming political correctness lets central government off the hook.

ghosto

You are whataboutary ing again. as usual

The far right right are making political capital out of grooming gangs. They do not give a shit about the victims otherwise they would campaign against all types of grooming gangs.

Johnson was making political capital out of Muslim attire. If it was about women’s rights he would have called out all religions, called out those behind patriarchal systems and not”took the piss” out of the women wearing the clothing.

LOL, funny that you’re so easily scared @Cuppaorwine

Better go running back to the daily mail eh.

What I meant was that people take the piss and are quite frankly rude, then call it freedom of speech. When actually they’ve lost their manners and have let their racist side slip out.

Why not have an intelligent debate about the burqa instead of throw insults about? Because, as Boris knows, he can stir up racist right wing support by throwing about silly childish insults. Then his defenders use freedom of speech as a cover when, quelle surprise, people are insulted or call him out on it.

That is my issue. Let Boris be rude all he likes. I’ve not said he should be expelled from the Tory party nor have I said he should stop. I’m just saying it’s rude and unacceptable and there are better ways if he genuinely wanted to tackle misogyny.

Which he doesn’t.

Believeitornot

The inquiry into the Muslim grooming gangs specifically stated that all of the agencies were afraid of being called racist or islamophobic and that’s why they rampaged unchallenged.

Maybe you should google the findings.

I didn’t blame political correctness the judge and enquiry panel did.

I am assuming you don’t live or work in Britsin by your posts?

I didn’t think the inquiry had finished so not sure what I’m supposed to research into.

I doubt very much that it was “just” political correctness at fault

And why don’t you think I live in Britain? Because I express a different point of view to your own?

How ironic.

It is perfectly acceptable to take the piss out of any religion/custom. It’s not acceptable to go up to someone in the street and do so but Islam is not off limits to humour, criticism or examination

I agree but I think there is an issue about how something is done and who it's directed at. He didn't 'take the piss' out of a religion, he took the piss out of vulnerable women. He didn't 'ridicule' a style of garment, he objectified and ridiculed the women wearing them, and it added fuel to the far right. As well as support for his stance politically, another response is that there are images of Muslim women being circulated all over Twitter with really nasty comments about them attached. And there are videos showing that the term 'pillar box' has been used by racists harassing Muslim women.

He is being investigated by his party in relation to the Conservative Code of Conduct for MPs I think these paragraphs:

'- lead by example to encourage and foster respect and tolerance'

' - not use their position to abuse, bully, victimise or harass or unlawfully discriminate against others'

Also if we go back to OP's original question, when talking about abusive behaviour there's often reference to a 'pattern of abuse' and I think that Boris Johnson has 'where racism is concerned. What is interesting is why when there were calls to discipline him in 2016, also for racist slurs, the Party refused to do so. I wonder if the only reason he's being investigated now is because of his position in the battle for what the Party will represent politically?

better go running back to the daily mail

So now you think Boris has the right to take the piss or you don’t?

I agree with you about Boris he’s odious but you seem all over the place with your posts.

You think it’s not acceptable to take the piss out of religions and customs and free speech or don’t you?

You havnt heard any comedians taking the piss out of religions?

Honestly it’s all a bit strange isn’t it.

No I though you lived in some place that doesn’t allow free speech or comedians so not Britain.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom to take the piss

Thing is, it does. I might prefer it to be avoided, but if you're going to ban something it's surely important to know what you're actually banning and that it isn't just what someone happens to dislike

And that's not easy when there are always those who'd abuse the process, claiming "you shouldn't say that" at even the most carefully phrased remark or insisting what someone meant is completely different to what they said

Judge Sarah wright Sheffield crown court jailing the racist paedophile scum.

Other enquiries into Telford and other towns continues.

If anyone hasn’t please u tube Tracey Ullman and ‘so woke’ it reminded me of my teenage dds. And some posters. t’s funny