To think Boris Johnson should be be thrown out of Tory party?

[crunchymint]

He is clearly racist. He should be thrown out of the Conservative party.

The burka is oppressive in my opinion. I heard this saying, that you can tell how civilised a community is, by the way they treat the women within it

Well said Aeroflotgirl.. This is really the issue.

Free speech is not eroded in the UK!

I quite see lovelyns point here.

God Boris has pulled off a blinder here hasn’t he! I wonder how long he has been planning this.

Why is that religion any different to others.

We all know why its different, because some of its supporters are willing to use extreme violence to enforce its 'special' status.

Its familiarity with the second WW is Carey and it cod be us, unless we start closing ranks.

justAnother

Yep good point.

You know I think the general consensus here in mumsnet today is

There’s a debate to be had about the burka

Religion and culture are fair game to criticise,

Many people view the full face burka as mysogynistic and impractical and uncomfortable in the 21st century,

Boris made a speech today that was all about Boris and his ambition and he was crass and insulting.

Corbyn is a lazy weak disgrace/May is submerged in Brexit hell and equally weak

We need a new centre party alternative

Steve Bannon is one of the political consultants behind Trump.

Or more accurately, Trump is the front man chosen by Robert & Rebekah Mercer, who fund Bannon to help with their political projects.

More about them here, for anyone who's interested, although Google will provide much more up-to-date info since the Cambridge Analytica scandal broke:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/robert-mercer-breitbart-war-on-media-steve-bannon-donald-trump-nigel-farage
www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/robert-mercer-david-magerman-lawsuit

The freedoms which everyone enjoys here, and that includes the freedom of speech and the rights to dress how we wish, would not be happening in Islamic countries.

No. I don't think he should.

I can't say I'm particularly interested in US politics beyond the basics. But thank you anyway. My question stands, who in the UK's political mainstream could be described as 'far right' and why?

I haven’t read what Boris Johnson wrote. No doubt it’s controversial and ill-considered. As per.

But the posters saying that a Tory is inevitably a racist...that takes some brass neck.

British Jews are genuinely fearful of Corbyn Labour’s mainstream and openly expressed disgusting views on their religion and ethnicity. It’s in the Labour Party that you’ll find crude and unapologetic bigotry.

Right, so this is how it goes.

1. Boris writes an article in the Daily Telegraph (which has traditionally been viewed as a “respectable” newspaper), making what could be a valid point about the burka.

1. The article isn’t written with a view to making a serious point, it’s written with a view to garnering more attention for Boris. So, because he knows that most people don’t read the Daily Telegraph, he includes in his article some silly remarks comparing women who wear burkas to bank robbers and letter boxes.

1. Boris’s silly comments get everyone talking about his article, even people who haven’t read it. He has been careful not to say anything actually racist, and if you look behind the comments about bank robbers and letterboxes, he’s actually saying that burkas shouldn’t be banned. So no one can actually get him for anything he has said.

1. Regardless, people are now talking about (a) Boris and (b) burkas, and people like Aeroflot and walkingdeadfangirl start saying that Boris is only saying what everyone’s thinking, and complaining about “political correctness gone mad” and “free speech” and how you can’t be rude about Muslims in case they go and plant a bomb somewhere, and “BUT WHAT ABOUT JEREMY CORBYN?!!”

1. Next time Boris says something controversial, people like Aeroflot and walkingdeadfangirl assume that because Boris said it, they (and everyone else) must be thinking it.

In the meantime, the Muslim girls and women who get called “bank robber” and “letterbox” get to be collateral damage in Boris’s quest for attention and adulation.

Sound about right?

Agree Aeroflot

And I think the wake up call to a lot of people was the huge scandal of the Muslim grooming gangs. I think people are far more willing now to criticise and appraise religions and cultural practises and that’s a great thing. For all religions.

However there is a line between debate and hate.

I know, so much selective outrage. At the risk of whatboutery, here's Lady Nuge saying: ""I wouldn't want my 4 year old son to be looked after by somebody wearing a Burqa, I wouldn't want my elderly mum to be looked after by somebody wearing a Burqa."

No outpouring of horror then as I recall...? Not on here at least..

twitter.com/BrexitTory_/status/1027257424074485761

Well, perhaps you might want to be, because Bannon et al are working quite hard on exporting their shit here (and to the rest of Europe).

See above about Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg meeting Bannon for advice. Farage also a fan. We're not going to get a choice about being aware of the Mercer message, even if you've never heard of them.

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Yes Cuppa, I agree, with the grooming gangs, it went on for so long, because professionals were afraid of upsetting the Muslim community. It became the big elephant in the room, that nobody date mention.

What's that another spot on quote.

That's a very good measure.

@ratchethandler

I already mentioned that earlier, and a post by Khan, Labour won't jump on it as there is a reasonable discussion to be had.

However, boris could have chosen his words better as he would surely know there are people who would pick it apart without the soft bigotry language.

As others have said, it was a bit of self promotion piece. Without the terms he used it would be another liberal article about how we shouldn't follow the Danish model etc.

Ooh look, the racist islamophobes are here conflating niqab with extremism.

FYI, far right extremism is on the rise. Yes, that is terrorism perpetrated by white people. Do you know how they spread fear and distrust? By quotes such as one posted above which seems to be taken straight from the far right manual on how to breed intolerance, which I shall copy and paste:

We are expected to be tolerant towards Islam and their customs, sure to hell Islam is not tolerantt towards our customs and our way of life. In fact the disparaging way in which the West is seen, very negative. Non Muslims are viewed so negatively as infadels and harem. The wish to basically take over the world with Sharia law. We had better watch out and start defending our customs and rights as verhently as they are defending theirs.

When hasn't America been exporting its "shit" here.. ?

I must say though BJ, Mogg & Farage don't look particularly "far right" to me, whatever is meant by that. They just look normal, sober people from where I'm strood, with a lot to be concerned about.

There's a discussion to be had around the burqua and how to ensure that women aren't be coerced into wearing it, much like we should discuss how some companies/establishments can demand that women wear heels and makeup.

Boris didn't do that though. He offered some lip service about the evils of oppression, then ridiculed in abusive terms the women that are, according to him, being oppressed.

If a woman is being forced into a burqua, how is mocking her appearance going to help her?

If a woman chooses the burqua, then you could argue that its just taking the piss out of her dress sense - but seriously, don't women have enough of that already without fucking BoJo slagging them off in a national newspaper?

Given BoJo's past racist and sexist comments, and that he's recently been chatting with a white supremacist, and now targeting the women of a minority that's suffering from increasing abuse - I can't see how he can stay in the party, especially after doubling down.

what's that my point exactly on the erosion of freedom of speech, thanks for that. No I am not from the far right thanks, it's the truth!

Justanotherlurker I must have missed it. I see what you mean about the wordiung but wasn't BJ essentially taking a libertarian pov on this issue? Having read his article it sounded to me he was writing in defence of Muslim women who wear the niqab.

He said 'it was wrong for Denmark to ban the niqab and burqa in public places because the state should not be telling any ‘free-born adult woman what she may or may not wear, in a public place, when she is simply minding her own business’.