To think Boris Johnson should be be thrown out of Tory party?

[crunchymint]

He is clearly racist. He should be thrown out of the Conservative party.

Echo2

Not a chance I think

Muslim men don’t wear them for the same reason men didn’t wear whale bone corsets, crinolines, minis, girdles, hobble skirts etc.

Because they are all restrictive uncomfortable and impractical.

I have seen many men in shorts and sandiest with the wife in a full burka on a boiling hot day. He’s not modest but apparently she has to be.

It really is a nonsense and just because some women, some women choose to wear it doesn’t make it any the less nonsense.

New, straw that broke the camel's back?

To call Boris a racist is lazy and reductionist. I don’t always agree with the guy but he’s actually not a racist, if you know anything about the man, and bother to read anything he has written.
He’s also trying to grapple with an issue most shy away from. The Danish have banned it. So are they all racist? He’s more moderate than them.

To call Boris a racist is lazy and reductionist
How about a colonial thug?

Absolutely - he should be sacked and forgotten.

As a member of parliament, he represents his constituency, some of who are Moslem, and some of whom wear burkas.
How rude and lacking respect to make a joke about people you represent! Does he have no social conscience?

Johnson's political message here is not important - what is important is that he is a person in authority, involved in shaping our country. Should he, therefore, be having a cheap laugh about people who live here?

Of course, as he intended, his many acolytes have just picked up on the point that 'we feel intimidated by women who cover their faces' and 'he's right in what he says', not the fact that in his position he shouldn't spout this vile rubbish.

Furthermore, the odious DM has made it a remainer/Brexit MP argument, to appeal to their racist readership.

As Baroness Warsi so rightly said - dog whistle politics.

Makes my blood boil.

Colonial thug? And there was me thinking we could have an interesting debate about this.
In real life my friends and I do, it’s a shame you can’t.

He started reciting “The Road to Mandalay” on an official visit to Myanmar FGS!

MN could have an interesting debate on this.

But Johnson's dog whistles aren't it.

Problem being we do know something about him, and we have read things he's written.

All apologies: the many times Boris Johnson has been told to say sorry
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/07/boris-johnson-history-of-apologies-controversy-burqa-comments

Still, at least Johnson did apologise when the Speaker said his language was “inappropriate and frankly sexist”. That was less than 6 months ago.

I was on a beach last week where we spotted a woman wearing head to ankle robes/veils whilst her husband had shorts and a bare chest. She also had a newborn strapped to her chest in 80 odd degrees. I was more angry with that than Boris’s comments. I don’t think his comments were racist. I think they’re shared by many who won’t verbalise them openly for fear of being lazily branded an “islamophobe”
Just as you can’t discuss self ID issues without being branded a “transphobe” you also can’t discuss the oppressive nature of female garments in Islam without being branded an “islamophobe”
It’s a quick way to shut down any discussion.

Colonial thug? And there was me thinking we could have an interesting debate about this. In real life my friends and I do, it’s a shame you can’t.

“When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.”
Boris Johnson has showed his hand far too many times.

you can’t be racist about a religion

All religious practises and beliefs are up for debate including piss take.

However Boris was not interested in this debate it’s about Boris and he was frankly rude and calculating As he always is.

He’s not being branded as racist for disagreeing with the burka or for saying female garments in Islam are oppressive though.

Although I suppose there’s a chance that that’s the way this story will end up being spun.

Rafals

I didn’t say he has t made racist remarks in the past I said discussing religious practises and cultural practises or even laughing at them isn’t racist.

What’s hard to grasp there?

I have seen many men in shorts and sandles with the wife in a full burka on a boiling hot day
Very common sight. In schools in Oldham, Dewsbury and Bradford it's commonplace to see Muslim girls on school trips and sports day when school uniform is not required to be wearing black long outfits while the boys wear westernised sports gear more appropriate for the summer weather. It starts early. Somehow boys are excused 'cultural/religious' dress, but girls are not in many communities.

Regardless of that, Bozzo Johnson's comments were meant to be insulting and to ridicule the wearer - senior politicians should be capable of better behaviour than that.

Question: do you think it would be anti-Semitic to write an article on the newspaper in which you say Jewish men wearing a kippah look ridiculous, like they’ve got a flying saucer on their head?

Indeed right Design

I grew up in a very multicultural area of brum in the 70s and bener saw a burka. Ever.

They are a relatively new phenomenon.

I'd like to chuck him out of the bloody country, but I understand he renounced his US citizenship for tax purposes...

I cross posted with you cuppa. I hadn’t seen your post when I posted.

Lovekyn

No it wouldn’t. If you were to accuse Jews of having a secret cabal that is in charge of world finance or deluded facts like the holocaust that’s anti senetic.

to shout such at people in the street or try and assault them that’s racism.

Having an opinion and sharing that a certain way to dress is ridiculous is free speech.

Just like critisising short shorts or speedos.

Religious and cultural practises are not exempt from discussion or critique here thank god.

Rafals

Oops sorry if I was moody. I have just weighed myself and put on 2 pounds!

YANBU

You can't be thrown out of the Tory party for being racist, its practically an entrance requirement.

No, he should be leading it....Theresa May's hopeless...

He doesn’t want to lead it though, does he? Then he would actually have to be responsible for delivering Brexshit (that he egged people on to vote for).