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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 00:38

fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!

yes, yes we are.
women are meant to be 'nice' placid, take a joke, don't get 'hysterical' etc (see Nanette Hannah Gadsby)

On top of that
a) you were shocked
b) you previously at least had been a fan
c) you had been prepped if you reacted like the other woman then you had no humour
d) you are in a queue
e) there is an unequal power dynamic

I would have been the same. I doubt I would have the wherewithal to ask why did you stencil whore in my book? I wish I did and I would like to know his response/have this written as an anecdote as I just don't get it.

Wonder if he stencils cocksmoker etc in male fan books...Hmm

NoCanoe · 07/08/2018 00:39

@hedgehogpoo - id expect the micky taken out of me if auidence participation usual.
Even with that proviso, id still expect a non offensive dedication unless I truly wanted one......Hmm

Summersup · 07/08/2018 00:41

MrsHoodwink It also got me thinking. Did your original dedication have the word 'frack' or 'fracking' in it? Frack off?

Lots of fracking jokes have sexual content that could then go in the wrong direction....

flowerpott · 07/08/2018 00:42

Tbh I am so disgusted by this, if it were me, I'd be finding ways of suing him / his publishers (employers) for libel. It's such blatant misogyny and abuse of power.

MadMags · 07/08/2018 00:48

Enthusiasm, sorry you were speaking 'cool girl'. I should have translated. Hmm

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 00:50

MrsHoodwink Applauds powers of detection.

But yours has context and if I was not ocd about my books, I could find it funny.

I prefer to think of OP as an owl or squirrel though. What would he write then? FURRY?!

ToDarnHot · 07/08/2018 00:51

And Frankie Boyle, who has a face like a scrotum, bodyshamed Rebecca Allington. So feminist, I don't think so.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 00:51

Mozzie, yes of course - c). I had semi-realised that at the time, but the penny didn't drop fully until you pointed it out.

NoCanoe no trading of insults with the audience. Nothing at all really, that would have led me to anticipate my near-exclusive dedication. If Celeb had come across in any way horrible (ok, there were a couple of uurghh comments from him that went down with the audience like a lead balloon), I wouldn't have braved the queue.

Summersup - no fracking references, just a cheeky fracker Celeb taking advantage of his position.

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QuackPorridgeBacon · 07/08/2018 00:52

I don’t really know what has happened. The word is horrible but what was the context? Without knowing who it is I can’t tell if it was to be expected of them or not. That’s if I even would know who they are.

DiegoMadonna · 07/08/2018 00:53

TBH, without knowing what these words are it's hard to figure out why they would prompt such an outrageous reaction from anyone.

If they're as innocent and disconnected as you're implying, then yes you were "compliant" to the extreme and so was your OH. I think I would have been close to punching the guy. Why would you possibly ever regret naming and shaming such a horrible person? Totally gross.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 07/08/2018 00:53

Cool girl

Mmm that wouldn’t do much for David Sedaris

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 00:55

...And it would be funny only because it was an ironic statement about sexism (santa outfit trope).

That kind of humour - ironically saying something sexist - is always dodgy though. Could write a thesis on it.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 00:58

Quack, no context at all. He could have used any other random word as it would have been equally irrelevant to the discussion. He just seemed to use it as he'd already used it against another woman previously who was requesting similar wording instead of her name.

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Freshfeelings · 07/08/2018 01:02

I hate his books they're shit. I'm sorry he treated you like this. He's shown his true colours. I hope the Daily Mail does pick this up.

ASliceOfArcticRoll · 07/08/2018 01:06

Eeew.

Sorry I can't come up with anything more erudite. Like the author..

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 01:06

I mean, I get it. The guy spends 5 hours signing, til 1am...wants to keep the dedications fresh/interesting for himself/amuse himself whilst trying to ensure each encounter is different/each fan has a semi-meaningful encounter as opposed to a bored, indifferent ''Next!''
All to be applauded. But unless it is the Santa analogy, it just sounds so unlike the voice I got to know Sad An audience with/meet and greet with him was on my bucket list.
Can I tweet him and ask wtf he was thinking?

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 01:09

his books are shit
Not for his fanbase. Me talk pretty one day is very funny as is Santaland.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 01:11

and don't worry, I won't tweet as it is not fair to you Flowers but I am illogically crushed.

AjasLipstick · 07/08/2018 01:11

Is he the sort of celebrity teenage girls would admire?

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 01:12

Believe me, I'm so tempted. I can't though and honestly, it really is better that way. I would also feel like a complete heel if I did name and shame Celeb even though he deserves it

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NoCanoe · 07/08/2018 01:13

Id auction the book to his fans......might make up for price of book and the queue.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 07/08/2018 01:14

MozzieMagnet Don’t go tweeting fs. The op hasn’t even said who it is and to tweet who you think it is would be madness.

op I don’t know what to said but if it hurt you then maybe contact his agent or manager etc to discuss it? I just don’t think I can say much else as there isn’t much information (that I understand) in your comments. If it’s upsetting, getting rid of it might help, unless you plan to contact someone and hold onto it as proof. Or out of sight somewhere?

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 07/08/2018 01:15

What a fucker!

I understand that you don't want to out yourself or open yourself up to the risk of any legal action, although in all honesty I don't see how you COULD, since he obviously has done exactly what you've said he has - he hasn't a leg to stand on!

No wonder the previous woman was angry and stormed away - he's lucky he didn't have his book ripped to shreds in front of his face.

And yes, you were TOTALLY prepped to accept it, given his story about the previous woman. What I'd really like to know is what his reason could possibly have been for objecting so strongly to the 2 words that you wanted to use, and needing to replace them with such a highly offensive misogynistic word. There's just no need.

I think I would feel the need to take to Twitter just to ask "how many people, on seeing/hearing the words A and B, would think to replace them with the word "whore" as XXX has done?"

You've said you're an activist, maybe this could be an activist step for you to prevent him from indulging in this particular stunt ever again.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 07/08/2018 01:15

MozzieMagnet Seen your comment after posting mine.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 01:17

I love the idea of an auction. It could be a fundraiser for a good cause so at least that would make it all worth while. Or nearly!

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