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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 00:17

No context at all. Nothing, zilch, no warning. I just felt crushed, humiliated and seriously uncool about not finding it as hilarious as I obviously should have done.

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MadMags · 07/08/2018 00:18

That's all well and good Enthusiasm.

But proudly declaring that you love him and "can't help it" is just weird.

Especially given the context of the thread.

If you can't help loving a misogynistic prick who calls his female fan a whore apropos of nothing (and really, it doesn't matter if there's context regardless) then you have issues.

MadMags · 07/08/2018 00:19

Jesus wept! Now we have people saying Frankie fucking Boyle is a feminist? What planet am I on tonight?

CircleofWillis · 07/08/2018 00:20

I’m 99% sure I went to see the same writer OP and the whole evening was full of porn, prostitution and swearing. Did he tell the joke about the cheeky grand child and the other one about the two priests?

It would fit in perfectly with the night and for all you know it might make sense once you have finished that book. I’m so sorry you were offended and it has spoiled your perception of him. But your description of the event doesn’t seem to suggest he is calling you a whore. Just that he is making a connection to the story he shared with you and that to all outward appearances you appeared to find funny.

ResurrectedGoldfish · 07/08/2018 00:20

😡😡😡😡 No wonder you didn’t find it hilarious. What an absolute cock womble 😡😡😡 Seriously, what kind of person humiliates someone who has specifically come to show their appreciation 😡😡😡

Summersup · 07/08/2018 00:20

If you read the NY article about this guy (who I never heard of but is apparently vastly popular and has people queuing up for hours to be insulted), he's known for being close to the bone and making remarks about all types of topics like disability, sexuality, making jokes of the people that are there- it sounds like what he did, he just misjudged and got wrong.

It's obvious who it is as this person takes ages over each book and draws (sometimes) insulting doodles, coloured in.

If this was in the UK, then his last tour date was 11 days ago, so you are obviously upset, OP, to keep thinking about this.

I wouldn't think he meant much by this, other than a too close to the bone ill-judged remark which may or may not have riffed off the rest of your conversation (or the one he had with the earlier woman). It wasn't intended as a blank insult I don't think.

HollowTalk · 07/08/2018 00:22

He can't take you to court for telling the truth!

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 07/08/2018 00:23

Yes I was wondering and hailing FB as a feminist

Certainly not the first things that comes to mind after seeing his stand up routine

What he comments about otherwise maybe

itwas you made him scoof and have his address Envy please don’t tell me you know Hugh and have been round there for roast dinner

pallisers · 07/08/2018 00:23

to be honest if it isn't David Sedaris, MN need to step in now and zap this thread because there seems to be an assumption - fine if it is true, not so great if it isn't.

Sorry this happened to you OP. Lousy. Lots of men who are otherwise "great guys" have quite negative reactions to women if you just scratch the surface. Or are supremely thoughtless as to the effect of their nasty words on women. Or actually just negative and hateful.

Years ago I had a book signed by John Mortimer. I didn't want a dedication just his name so when he asked what name I said "no need for a name". I was wearing a polka dot blouse. when I left I realised he had writted "to Dear Polka Dot from John Mortimer'. I'm hoping my grandchildren will think I had a fling with him.

PrincessoftheSea · 07/08/2018 00:24

If it was DS, he is such a bore!

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 00:24

Brew Cake
I am really sorry OP. I would feel the same.
With no context, it's just a shock-jock insult.
I would feel the same way had it been twat etc
Now if I was moaning in convo about my job and he made the whorehouse comment above while just drawing the key, then I would remember he had called me lovely and smile when I opened the book.
If I had requested an insult and got one, fair enough.
But otherwise, nope. David, you might pick up litter but you just ruined my book.

itwaseverthus · 07/08/2018 00:26

I wish Enthusiasm ! Hugh sounds right up my street, cooking up a storm and maintaining the standards at home Grin

pallisers · 07/08/2018 00:27

If it was DS, he is such a bore!

he was funny. The Santaland Diaries are truly funny. Not much he has written since is really that funny imo.

flowerpott · 07/08/2018 00:29

Havent RTFT. Sorry. But please name and shame this bastard all over Twitter. You PAID for this book, to be insulted and discriminated against, all whilst supporting his career. Celeb deserves to be named and shamed - by the Daily Mail, no less.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 00:29

Summersup you are right of course, I don't suppose that it meant anything to him at all and I would have been dismissed from is memory instantly. I wouldn't expect otherwise, as I was just someone in line, getting a book signed. He would probably be taken aback at my reaction too, but I didn't choose to be cut up by his choice of words.

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Hawkmoth · 07/08/2018 00:31

John Craven... pahhahhahaaa

MrsHoodwink · 07/08/2018 00:31

Just feel like I’m playing Cluedo here but:

David Sedaris
Santaland Diaries
You wanted “Santa’s helper” and use a Santa suit in your activism

He saw it in the “slutty” stereotype and wrote and big “jolly red” whore on the page [santa]

garethsouthgatesmrs · 07/08/2018 00:33

I follow FB on twitter and think he holds many feminist views. i haven;t watched him live just on TV and I know he is censored quite a bit.

gluteustothemaximus · 07/08/2018 00:34

MrsHoodwink - excellent work detective Grin

Bluesmartiesarebest · 07/08/2018 00:34

I’ve never heard of him. Get rid of the book and find someone better to be a fan of. There’s plenty of comedians and writers out there who manage to be witty without being nasty.

AjasLipstick · 07/08/2018 00:35

I don't understand why you're protecting him.

MyDirtyLittleSecret · 07/08/2018 00:35

So you asked him to dedicate it to you as "HedgehogTwitterHandle" or somesuch and he told you a story about a similar request and then wrote "Whore". I just don't get it. Weird as fuck, and, of course, really fucking offensive but I have to admit, just out of sheer curiosity, I'd really like to know what convoluted point he was trying to make.
Please out him on Twitter, OP, it's no more than he deserves.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 00:35

I have to say that I'm highly amused at some of the comments here and they are making me feel so much better about That Word. Thank you to MrsHoodwink and many others!

Honestly, I'm not being mean by keeping quiet about Celeb's name, I just think that it's best to keep it that way.

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EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 07/08/2018 00:37

MadMags

ffs you really don’t need to take everything literally

But thanks for the arm chair psychology I shall be on the case finding a suitable therapist tomorrow

itwas Hugh sounds great I bet he can make a perfect lasagne

ToDarnHot · 07/08/2018 00:38

I find it funny; it's the combination of a taboo word and the inappropriately jaunty handwriting. But I am one of those people who think DS is hilarious and can do no wrong.

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