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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 00:01

Twombly we bought the books first and then stood in line for them to be signed. Celeb was really nice and chatty to everyone and it was a shock to the system when I saw what he was writing.

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YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 07/08/2018 00:02

It sounds like it was DS and this is part of his stuff. Especially as it’s something that’s in the book.

I really wouldn’t give it anymore headspace.

Interestingly, he lives near me and yet I had never heard of him until this thread.

Faez · 07/08/2018 00:02

It's already been revealed who it was. Can't think of any explanation, we'll probably be called uptight but that is in no way clever or amusing.

ADarkandStormyKnight · 07/08/2018 00:03

Send it back to him (or a photo) via his publisher with a letter explaining what happened

mum11970 · 07/08/2018 00:03

What did you actually ask him to write?

HelpmeobiMN · 07/08/2018 00:04

I wonder if the celeb also interpreted your laughing along when he talked about the other woman being angry as a sign that you were more up for a laugh? Especially if cutting edge humour is their thing? He may not have realised you were uneasy and might have thought you were going along with the joke. Although again that only makes sense as an explanation if this is line with usual behaviour.

itwaseverthus · 07/08/2018 00:04

EnthusiasmDisturbed he gave me his address years ago at a signing and asked me to write as I made him scoff (no one else finds me funny, ever) and eventually I did and he wrote back to me!

He does cast around for odd things to sign as the book queues are hundreds of people long. I guess in op's case he just ran out of kooky and plumped for goddamn rude. Was it Squirrel something op?

Faez · 07/08/2018 00:04

Also never heard of him despite living near him.

KC225 · 07/08/2018 00:05

Yes, what were the words?

PurpleRobe · 07/08/2018 00:05

Is the word "whore" in any way a play on words in regards to the 2 words that you wanted him to write at all?

Just grasping at straws as to why he may have done this, as it is very odd !

Were the 2 words you wanted him to write normal words? A name? Something personal to him if it'sfrom his book title? (Not sure if it was his book you took with you?! Ad it got a little.long)

NoCanoe · 07/08/2018 00:07

This person can label himself all he likes. And his PR team will support him.

But there is something very wrong in calling any one of your female fans a whore. Possibly, as a bit of a skit/banter......thinking Lily Savage / Paul O'Grady type of stuff where it might have slipped out in the moment and it meant to be funny. But even then....dubious.

To take time to stencil and colour in the word that had been bought???? That's very uneasy territory.

I dont care who he is, tbh, he has a dark side towards women and maybe he should be called out on it via his PR or agency team.

garethsouthgatesmrs · 07/08/2018 00:07

faez it hasn't been confirmed as DS though has it? Or have i missed something?

MoonriseKingdom · 07/08/2018 00:07

www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/books/david-sedaris-calypso.html

I love his books/ radio show. He is pretty self deprecating as well as being acerbic. Are you sure there was no other interpretation/ context to this? I’m sure I would be upset too if it really was just a random insult.

garethsouthgatesmrs · 07/08/2018 00:09

I have never heard of him either but am googling him now and thinking of watching some of his stuff... hedgehog are you from this his PR

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 00:09

mum11970, sorry but I can't list the wording that I requested as it's too outing in a number of ways.

For anyone doubting that this thread is authentic, I have checked with the MN mods prior to posting it and they were ok about it, just warning me that it could be picked up by the media and that I could be taken to court. The former is a possibility, but not the latter as I have the evidence and Celeb wouldn't be able to deny it. I just hope that he doesn't sharpen his claws and ridicule me in any of his future works!

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ohfourfoxache · 07/08/2018 00:10

Some things are universally funny.

Some things are funny to some people.

Some things are just so far from being funny that there is just no way that anyone could ever finding them amusing. Unless you’re an absolute fucking moron of course. I suspect this is one of those times....

Faez · 07/08/2018 00:11

gareth if you google that line about not being a misogynist but a misanthrope it's his quote.

Justgettothepoint · 07/08/2018 00:11

Actually I'm now thinking that he just does this as a publicity stunt if it is David S just going by the articles. What a dickhead.

itwaseverthus · 07/08/2018 00:12

Maybe if op's name was using part title of one of his books, Squirrel seeks chipmunk? A comedic comeback to the stealing of 'his' title? I don't know, am thinking out loud. Saying that, last time we met I told him he's just replaced alcohol, fags and drugs with another addiction to his fitbit -ergo he was just shifting his addictive personality to one that wouldn't kill him, but still addictive by nature. He gives it out and he takes it. I

Twombly · 07/08/2018 00:12

I would have asked for a refund personally. Loudly, to embarrass him as much as he apparently wanted to embarrass you. And yy to the poster who suggested you send it back. Preferably with TWAT stencilled in below.

And yes, who is he anyway? I'd never heard of him either.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 07/08/2018 00:12

MadMags

I think he is an excellent writer and I love listening to his audio books and podcasts

He has never come over as a misogynist and is self deprecating and at times his writing is moving

I feel sorry the op felt humiliated but I am not going to change my mind and suddenly find his work no longer funny

It may not even be David Sedaris who she is talking about if it is I wouldn’t be surprised if the incident ends up in his essays

garethsouthgatesmrs · 07/08/2018 00:12

faez yea i did exactly that and agree but I suppose its not proof. Anyway I think you are right it must be him, if it wasn't the OP could have easily denied it by now.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 00:12

I would be sad.

“You’re absolutely lovely,” Mr. Sedaris said, sketching out a key in her book. “Here’s a key to a whorehouse where you’re going to get a much better job.”

See, in that case the girl is smiling...the book has a key drawn in it and that's all...it isn't ruined. She was not offended.
I love books and would not want my pick-me-up go to author when depressed calling me a ho in red and black capitals. Was there any context to it OP?

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 00:14

gareth, no, definitely not, but that comment cheered me up no end! Grin

I did think that Celeb was brilliant though, until now. I really don't want to listen to him again. I'm just as annoyed at that loss, as with the dirty deed.

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ResurrectedGoldfish · 07/08/2018 00:15

What a dickhead. Incidentally, if Frankie Boyle is a feminist, then I’m Pope Gregory IX. I went to see him at the fringe when I was 15, and he spent the entire 30 minute set talking about my tits. Lovely man 😡

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