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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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FASH84 · 06/08/2018 23:50

This depends on who it was, if it was Frankie Boyle (or similar) YABU to expect anything else, if it was someone like Paul O'Grady you have every right to feel disappointed

HermioneKipper · 06/08/2018 23:50

Please not Stephen fry 🙏

KC225 · 06/08/2018 23:51

It's such a vile and demeaning word. I have always in felt this is one of the worst insults to be hurled at women.

Another one - what were the two words and who was it?

Worriedworry · 06/08/2018 23:51

I know who it is. He's done it before to another woman.

MadMags · 06/08/2018 23:52

Can you not say what the two words were? It's a bit confusing.

MadMags · 06/08/2018 23:53

I know who it is.

Has he been mentioned on the thread?

Deshasafraisy · 06/08/2018 23:53

Spill the beans worried

sazza76 · 06/08/2018 23:53

Interesting article towards the end. Not sure it was this comedian obviously but if not theres more than one comedian who does similar.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/books/david-sedaris-calypso.amp.html

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 06/08/2018 23:53

If it was Davis Sedaris you will be spoken about in his next book and if it gets to twitter

But he will no doubt ponder on what made him act such an idiot and we shall all be laughing

I love him 😍 sorry op can’t love him any less (if it’s him)

I have family that live near him he is well known for being that wonderful American guy in the area

BarbraDear · 06/08/2018 23:53

YANBU!!

Would it be a type of (very unfunny) twisted coded 'joke' that as a fan, he might expect you to be able to decipher? Maybe something he has spoken of in one of his shows?

clutching at straws

itwaseverthus · 06/08/2018 23:53

Sounds like something David Sedaris would do. He does have a warped sense of humour, that's clear all through his books and why we laugh reading them. We just don't laugh so much when it's aimed at us. I got a fab postcard from him through the post last week.

ohfourfoxache · 06/08/2018 23:54

What an absolute prized cunt Shock

Who the fuck does he think he is?

Could you go to the press?

MadMags · 06/08/2018 23:55

Of course you can help loving him! What an odd thing to say Hmm

It's so weird how such disgusting misogyny is potentially fine, depending on what man deemed it ok...

ChasedByBees · 06/08/2018 23:55

That was a disgusting thing to write.

garethsouthgatesmrs · 06/08/2018 23:56

fash84 Frankie Boyle wouldn't do this ( I hope) he is a feminist.

Twombly · 06/08/2018 23:56

But...why did you still buy the book?? I don't understand why you would actually pay good money for it after that?

And YANBU. It was beyond rude. It was weird and vile.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 06/08/2018 23:56

itwaseverthus Envy

How come ???

Yes he does have a warped sense of humour

MozzieMagnet · 06/08/2018 23:57

X-post Gareth but I am glad I read your article as the person says
he had been signing books for nearly five hours when I stepped up to request an insult
Insult-requesting is somewhat different.

bbcessex · 06/08/2018 23:57

sazza76

It was really vile. It was literally the first thing out of his mouth as he came onstage after the ‘here’s Alexander Armstrong’ intro. Male-dominated industry, he showed his true colours. Arrogant pervy twat 😡

malfoyy · 06/08/2018 23:58

Russell Brand!

HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:58

Sorry, I really don't want to name and shame. I feel like a complete idiot already about this whole thing.

Re the wording - his book title includes wording that is relevant to me and my activism. I just used this as the dedication instead of 'To HedgehogPoo'. Hedgehog shit would have been a better option in hindsight Grin

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HelenUrth · 06/08/2018 23:58

Horrible thing for a public figure to do, and I'd be fucking amazed if he did something similar to a man looking for him to sign his book.

Thing is, if you publicly name and shame him - and he deserves to be named and shamed - you run the risk of being hounded by all sorts of less than savoury media types plus the idiot online trolls. So you probably need to be careful.

I wonder if contacting his agent would be a good place to start? But honestly, if you know anyone who's good at PR I'd ask their advice.

Interestingly, I found a review of Calypso by David Sedaris with this contained in the comments: "Many chapters exposing his family, and worse himself; plus others 'essays' on creative swearing; fighting over how to feed/keep pets; forcing his mate of 30-yrs to admit to the number of men he slept with, and when the number passed 50, chapter ends with WHORE (who-re they?) and a final chapter on "Comey" ? Well, we all grow old and accept the inevitable...so does Sedaris."

HelpmeobiMN · 06/08/2018 23:58

If this is something that is in line with the type of comedy the celeb does, then while YANBU at all to be upset it may be that the celeb just sees it as an extension of their act - I'm thinking of frankie Boyle types, who have made a living out of not being pc. If it was that kind of situation then I would say this is perhaps something to be anticipated as being in line with the type of humour.

However, if that isn't the case and this is out of character for the celeb then it's really weird and inappropriate.

Coco2891 · 06/08/2018 23:59

It's not Russel Brand people -he may have flaws but he wouldn't do that

masterstef · 07/08/2018 00:00

Justin Fletcher
Eamonn Holmes
John Craven
Kevin McCloud

Just thinking outside the box...