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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 11:51

Well, that's the second endorsement of Rich Hall so I'm really happy about that thank you. I quite fancy him too, but that's a very different issue!

Quack I had listened to Celeb for years on the radio, but hadn't read his work or anything written about him. That's probably how many people start to go to gigs and read books.

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SalemBlackCat · 07/08/2018 11:54

@TwoBlueShoes "Straight guy calling a woman “whore” feels very different from a gay guy calling a woman “whore”."

I've come across a few gay men on the internet who seem to hate women, so I don't think a gay guy calling me a whore would be any less different (ie offensive). I used to follow a blogger who is HIV+ because I enjoyed learning from his experiences, but he lost me for good when he was talking about his tenants upstairs being a heterosexual couple who were often in shouting arguments and the guy hit her a bit. He was saying that the woman probably deserved it and when questioned, he doubled down and said women know how to push buttons and can deserve being hit.

Not all gay guys have respect for women, some despise us.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 11:56

TwoBlue Umm, not sure that I would be too impressed if any of my gay friends called me / other women by those names. None of my friends do that as far as I am aware, That too, smacks of casual misogyny and they are probably getting away with it more because they are 'my gay best friend and everything that they say is hilarious'. Nahh.

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SalemBlackCat · 07/08/2018 11:56

I honestly don't see how men (gay or straight), calling women hooker, whore, slag can ever be taken as a 'joke'. There is never an excuse to call any woman that. Never.

birdsdestiny · 07/08/2018 11:59

It's not different at all twoblueshoes. I spent most of my twenties getting pissed with gay men, some were misogynists some weren't. There is no affection in those jokes.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 07/08/2018 12:00

HedgehogPoo Ahh I see. Maybe look into previous shows and reviews just in case. Will you still listen to him after this incident?

YouCanCallMeNancy · 07/08/2018 12:01

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NotAgainYoda · 07/08/2018 12:03

This is making me think a lot about what is funny and what is not

I shit in your mother's mouth - funny. Outrageously offensive but scattershot. I wouldn't mind if he wrote that

Whore - does he know how many women are called whore, bitch, prostitute for real?

Black bitch - ditto.

NotAgainYoda · 07/08/2018 12:04

yy gay blokes are blokes. not some special case of mutual understanding.

NotAgainYoda · 07/08/2018 12:07

In my post above I should have made clear that 'i sit in your mother's mouth' made me laugh

NotAgainYoda · 07/08/2018 12:07

shit.

blackteasplease · 07/08/2018 12:09

I agree that gay blokes are blokes. Doesn't really make any odds who they have sex with.

If a specific gay friend of mine said it I wouldn't be offended, but that's more because he's Irish than gay and it seems to be used differently? And written "hoor" in novels Grin

MinaPaws · 07/08/2018 12:09

To call a woman a whore is to remind her that the man has the social and economic power to make her do whatever he wants or tells her to, and that she is in the precarious social and economis position of having no other choice but to obey. Whether said by a straight or a gay man it shows hatred of women, a desire to crush any sense of independence and power she has.

NoCanoe · 07/08/2018 12:11

@TwoBlueShoes.
There's a world of difference.
Black people who know each other may use the term as affectionate/friendly slang, I do get that point.

But a straight or gay male calling a woman a whore is completely different. Both are being disrepectful and rude. The fact that one is gay does not mean their name calling is any less misogynist.

sallywinter · 07/08/2018 12:12

Rich Hall is so nice! Enjoy.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 12:14

Grin Nancy, I had thought of that one! DP insisted that my theory was crap though, so binned that idea.

Quack. Maybe, but I'm really not planning to. I still think that Celeb is an arse and tbh, I was bored with most of the first part of his show. It did improve considerably towards the end though, but nosedived downhill at his signing desk. OK, no, I won't be back to see him!

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DontDrinkDontSmoke · 07/08/2018 12:14

Rich Hall is a honey. You’ve reminded me I have a couple of his (signed) books still to read.

PurpleTrilby · 07/08/2018 12:15

He humiliated you and all women, in writing. I think you should definitely post it online for all the world to see, maybe set up a different ID to do only that. A joke is when everyone is laughing, not a tiny, privileged proportion of the male population. Not okay, I'm bloody fuming for you.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 12:17

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He drew her boobs. In front of her dad.
That said, my boobs have not looked like that in years...

OP what was the actual reading part like?
I have seen Rich Hall twice as stand up and twice as the convict Otis Lee Crenshaw. So nearly two decades ago but the disdain he gave to the word/town Royton still makes me laugh, even now. no offence to Royton
Loved his Tom Cruise skit. As Otis, his song about stalking (as a convict in character) always got huge laughs...I wonder how that would go down now.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 12:19

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ToDarnHot · 07/08/2018 12:20

No need to id the celeb, it's DS and nothing will convince me otherwise.

I am really wanting to know what your 'activist outfit'. Is it fruit-based? I used to know someone who would dress up as a tomato.

PurpleTrilby · 07/08/2018 12:23

Right, now I know who it is, I'll add this: I don't find 'edgy' comedy funny when it's all one way, all against women. You might as well say Bernard Manning was edgy. Oh he took the piss out of everyone! Except he didn't he punched down and not up and he never, ever took the piss out of fat, white Mancunian men. Same with this creep, thanks for the heads up. Fuck him.

trickyboots · 07/08/2018 12:25

Jeezo op. Do not in anyway take what the little Scrote wrote personally or a reflection if you, your name or anything. What an absolute dickhead that guy was. He's lucky you didn't batter him senseless. Yes yes violence is bad.

lionheart · 07/08/2018 12:26

Sorry, posted on wrong thread.

Flowers Hedgehog. What a vile thing to do.

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