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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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NoCanoe · 07/08/2018 11:12

My Dh got a dedication written on his new Cd from a singer when I missed his concert through illness. So personal dedications are normal, I think.

And I got one to my cat too. Different singer. How he guessed I had a cat was beyond me but I was chuffed at the dedication to my pussy. Wink

SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/08/2018 11:14

Please confirm it's NOT David Sedaris, that would damn near break my heart. Adore him and he does not seem like he's the type

WHAT! C'mon Mozzie - in one of his short stories that he read out on the radio some years ago, he described how he deliberately threw a LIVE MOUSE into the fire because it was in his home.

That was me finished with him - I'd really liked him up until then.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 11:16

NoCanoe Was he Lloyd?! Wink

WatermelonGlitter · 07/08/2018 11:18

He sounds like he has a rather niche sense of humour.

I just explained this thread to my husband and said those very words.. "he is obviously someone with an extremely sharp and niche sense of humour" .

Can't you just take it in that spirit OP? It's highly unlikely that he was actually calling you a whore! And you have a unique signing from him that no one else will have..I'm not completely unsympathetic (you should never meet your heroes, they inevitably can only disappoint) but I can't get too worked up about it either.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 11:22

Schaden - I am not the best person to talk to re mice...we use snap traps and electrocution boxes. Used to try humane traps and setting them free but, like David's, they went for my wiring. Would I throw one in a fire...nope but not sure it is that slower than drowning buckets, half mauling by cats or the evil that is glue traps.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 11:22

ImAldoot, yep. I definitely don't feel as bad about it now that others have shared screenshots. I still think that Celeb is out of line though and we have / should have gone past that sort of misogynistic comment by now. I'm not into casual sexism. My DP commented afterwards that much of the more visceral and crude humour in Celeb's show was aimed at women. The on-stage comment that celeb made that elicited no laughter, but a very loud gasp and uurrgghh from the audience was definitely anti-female and pretty crude. Maybe I will listen to him again now that I've seen the other screenshots, but more probably I won't. It has helped to put it all into context though Celeb is still a wanker!.

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FuckPants · 07/08/2018 11:23

I don't understand.

So the OP has met someone relatively famous and he signed his book for her but he wrote whore instead of her name? If true then that is not on but so far all we've seen is a closeup of a written word and vague hints as to who allegedly wrote it.

serbska · 07/08/2018 11:23

He was hardly one of your "heroes" give you know so little about him and his work!

SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/08/2018 11:29

Why not auction the book online and donate the money to your cause?

You would be rid of it, and whoever the twat is he would have performed a useful service.

(bbcessex - I've never liked "Zander"- he's so far up his own arse he must never see daylight - he's a patronising git, too)

SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/08/2018 11:31

It's a bloody sight more agonising Mozzie - and he took joy in it, too! I'm of the opinion that if you kill something you do it quickly and cleanly - and (with the possible exception of wasps) take no joy in making it suffer.

KittyHawke80 · 07/08/2018 11:31

Jesus. Now I have gone off him . . .

Otterseatpuffinsdontthey · 07/08/2018 11:32
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ArsenalsPlayingAtHome · 07/08/2018 11:32

Right, sticking my neck out here...it seems that some posters feel better because he appears to be a serial writer of mysongynistic comments in books.

Personally, it makes me feel worse.

He has form for this on a massive scale.

How is it acceptable?

I thought maybe the powers that be at R4 were unaware of his tendencies in this area, but if it's this wide spread, how can they be?

Why is he given air time?

Also, is there any evidence out there of these vitriolic comments being about men, rather than men's gilfriends/mothers/friends?

If anyone else has got posts of dedications written in books, can people post them?

Sorry to hijack your OP, Hedgehog but the longer this post goes on, the more uneasy I'm feeling.

I really think he should be called out on this.

raviolidreaming · 07/08/2018 11:33

I thought it was a comedian called Caleb for half of this thread

I keep thinking it's Celeb from the Private Eye comic strips. Glad I'm not alone in not having even heard of David Sedaris.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/08/2018 11:33

I was chuffed at the dedication to my pussy

Canoe Grin Is that you, Mrs Slocombe?

MinaPaws · 07/08/2018 11:37

This is eye opening. He says he's a misanthrope not a misogynist, but in every single example of how he transgresses in the name of whacky humour (yawn) he is attacking someone less powerful - the 'gentle friend of the black bitch' one is a perfect example. Some monsters like to hide in plain sight. Like Saville. Be so loudly, openly repugnant that people are stunned into rationalising hideous behaviour as a bit of fun. APP articulated the power play perfectly. Also to love up one half of a couple then spit in the face of the other is classic manipulative behaviour.

Eye opening. I was going to teach his writing this term. I've just decided to take him off the reading list.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 07/08/2018 11:39

Some monsters like to hide in plain sight. Like Saville. Be so loudly, openly repugnant that people are stunned into rationalising hideous behaviour as a bit of fun. APP articulated the power play perfectly. Also to love up one half of a couple then spit in the face of the other is classic manipulative behaviour.

MinaPaws has put it perfectly.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 07/08/2018 11:39

So he wasn’t your hero then? You actually know nothing of his work. Neither do I to be fair but then, I wouldn’t go to his show or buy a book and get it signed. It seems this man has form for this and even though you won’t say his name, you have basically confirmed that other posters are correct in guessing it is him. Given his other work, it seems this is his way of signing. If you knew his work you would have been prepared somewhat and maybe less upset. Now you know he is like this you should probably move on, sell the book or give it to a charity shop or something but don’t fee too upset about it. You should just name though, as confirming and then not saying is odd. By confirming I mean when others posted pictures you said it made you feel better that it’s sometbing he has done for others, that would mean to me that this is the celeb you’re on about.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 11:40

Hi-jack away Arsenals, I agree with you. I feel better personally that it wasn't aimed at me but I'm not remotely comfy with the fact that Celeb does and gets away with this just because he can. It smacks of a lot of issues that have been given high profile and long-overdue publicity over the last couple of years.

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QuackPorridgeBacon · 07/08/2018 11:41

I thought it was a comedian called Caleb for half of this thread

So did I. Had to keep correcting myself to celeb.

InsomniacAnonymous · 07/08/2018 11:43

Well, the most astonishing thing about this thread is how many people have never heard of David Sedaris. I thought he was very famous. I have several of his books and always listen when he's on the radio.

Anyway, if he'd done this to me I wouldn't have taken it to heart like the OP has, simply because that's part of his humour. It has no meaning because you are a total stranger to him, so it's not like friend or family member suddenly calling you a whore is it? It simply has no meaning that he wrote that and should be shrugged off. It just shows that he enjoys being nasty for the sake of it sometimes. It's equivalent to a child running up to a stranger and calling them a 'poo poo face'.
Rather puerile and not worthy of further thought let alone upset.

PyongyangKipperbang · 07/08/2018 11:45

Re Rich Hall......a nicer man you could not hope to meet. Happy to have photos/signings after every one of his shows we have been to. And he remembered us from a previous show which we didnt expect :)

TwoBlueShoes · 07/08/2018 11:48

I do think context is important.

White guy saying, “Hey, nigger”, is a very different vibe from a black guy saying “Hey, nigger”.

Straight guy calling a woman “whore” feels very different from a gay guy calling a woman “whore”.

It just is the way it is.

I fully expect to be roasted alive for saying this though.

NoCanoe · 07/08/2018 11:49

Another vote for @MinaPaws concise conclusion on why this has been uneasy reading.

TwoBlueShoes · 07/08/2018 11:50

What I’m saying is that I know a lot of gay guys who affectionately call women stuff that hooker, whore, slag etc. as a joke.

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