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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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elspethmcgillicuddy · 07/08/2018 10:39

Not surprised. Never liked him. Always found him most irritating when on podcasts etc.

KateGrey · 07/08/2018 10:41

I don’t get it! Why is it funny to call a woman a whore?! I suspect these people say outrageous stuff for publicity. It’s shit! Women seem to be an easy target and somehow it’s meant to be acceptable.

ShumpaLumpa · 07/08/2018 10:42

if it full of a jokey owl hating theme about how they kept him awake in the country or something. OP told Him "actually I fundraise for an owl sanctuary and my Twitter name is "owls are my life", then his writing whore makes more sense- obviously it's still super offensive- but he's calling you a traitor for money, as a joke

How does it make sense? Confused How is OP a traitor for money by fundraising for an animal charity?

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 10:43

docs.google.com/file/d/0B1y-paGxRo-_c2NlelNHcUZ5ZkU/edit

For balance, p12 encounter with a 12 year old who, like David, used to have a speech impediment.

PitchBlackNight · 07/08/2018 10:46

MammyLovesWine 🤔

I think you have it spot on. By faking her amusement at the Celeb writing a ‘certain word’ in a previous woman’s book it’s not unreasonably that the guy would think the OP would find it amusing if he wrote the same thing in hers. I don’t know the guy and he sounds truly awful but I think this makes it more acceptable that he did it. It wasn’t the random nasty thing that the OP was thinking. It doesn’t make it funny or clever but it does make it less offensive towards the OP.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 10:46

Mammy re the context - I meant that there was no lead in from our short conversation or my twitter name as such. The link with the previous woman who had requested a similar dedication was the source, so yes, in that was there is context.

To the PPs who thought that I should have expected this - I'd only ever heard Celeb talking on the radio and had no expectation that I would have a dedication like this set of blots in my book!

I'm not feeling as bad now that I have seen others' books similarly adorned. Thank you for your posts! I'm not easily offended under normal circumstances but I think that sometimes, things can go too far and celebs of all types can get away with too much, purely because of their position and the fact that most of us look up to them in one way or another. And most of us don't speak up if we are unhappy! Thank you all Wine

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MorningsEleven · 07/08/2018 10:47

I can't get past your husband or partner or whatever asking for a dedication for the cat.

ethelfleda · 07/08/2018 10:48

Who the hell is David Sedaris?

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 07/08/2018 10:49

ethelfleda

BakedBeans47 · 07/08/2018 10:52

I’ve never heard of him either. He sounds quite the twat.

PerfectlySymmetricalButtocks · 07/08/2018 10:53

The Pin you posted Mozzie. Is that supposed to be funny?

PitchBlackNight · 07/08/2018 10:55

HedgehogPoo
I’m glad you are feeling better about it. I can see how it must have looked to you at the time but having followed the thread I think I would no longer be bothered by it either.

I’m putting him the same category as Frankie Boyle, Jimmy Carr, Giles Cohen and Russel Brand.... ie Smug git’s who think they are a whole lot cleverer and funnier than they are. I wish they would all just shut up and go away.

ASliceOfArcticRoll · 07/08/2018 10:56

He does sound witty on the radio.

IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 07/08/2018 10:56

ethelfleda I'm sorry to laugh at the pisstake but IDontEatFriedTurtle's post has made my day!

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 10:58

what pin? do you mean the last link? I read that as him making a 12 year old feel good about herself.

MazDazzle · 07/08/2018 11:00

What an utter prick.

It was a nasty, mean thing to do.

KittyHawke80 · 07/08/2018 11:01

Weird thread. Hasn’t changed my opinion of him one whit: very funny man. His wife won’t give a toss for the compelling reason that he’s gay, and he won’t give two shiny shits that some of you have proudly ‘never heard of him’.

Mammyloveswine · 07/08/2018 11:03

Morningseleven Grin

Gorrillagirlfanclub · 07/08/2018 11:04

It's totally David Sedaris

GabsAlot · 07/08/2018 11:05

ive heard of hi sister-sounds like one of those dry humour types dont th8ik any offence was meant

GlitterKnitterBee · 07/08/2018 11:06

Name and shame! How dare he?! I’d shame him all over social media. What an absolute prick! 😡

Gorrillagirlfanclub · 07/08/2018 11:07

He sounds awful. Just shows how removed from reality and up his own arse he is that he thinks this is funny. Urgh!

Mammyloveswine · 07/08/2018 11:08

OP I'm glad you're feeling better but honestly, the discussion about him writing whore in someone else's book is exactly the context! The way you are taking this so personally as if he just decided to call you a whore out of nowhere is oversensitive.

Fwiw however he sounds like a bit of a "marmite" character so at least you now know a bit more about him and understandably are no longer a "fan".

ImAIdoot · 07/08/2018 11:10

no, neither of us had read any of Celeb's books. We had heard him talk on the radio only and bought the tickets based upon that. I'm not about to read any of his books either, but DP probably will as he's into written humour and has sometimes sent in anecdotes / funny stories etc, to other writers for their use. He even got paid by the BBC once. He's really funny when in full flow and can hold a room of people to slavish attention, which is really odd when he's a very shy person under all other circumstances and was also nervous about meeting Celeb.

I want to tentatively suggest - and it's important to me you know I'm not being dismissive of your feelings here because that is not what I mean - that you dig into the written material and look at the things other people have had in dedications. It may be that the context makes a difference here - depending on who it is you might find there is a great deal of satirical, knowing, on-a-level insult in this person's humour and it is NOT meant to demean you as much as amuse you.

I am not excusing this, but depending on who it is you might find context makes a lot of difference. It might be that you are still not amused but at peast the intent may look different/more accurate in your eyes. Especially whether he meant to lord it over you and demean you personally.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 11:10

perfectlysymmetrical
and if you mean the link before that with the dog, no that isn't funny to me. Posted to demonstrate he has form for weird encounters at book signings. I also think asking any woman if she would be getting an abortion that Summer is dodgy and insensitive. Talking about breast size just because people will tell you anything is Trump territory. Asking about breast milk curing eye infections...I would have happily talked about. Shitting my pants confessionals, no ta.
You never said what you were yukking about?

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