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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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Tomorrowillbeachicken · 07/08/2018 10:11

Tbh ppl like this need twat tattooed across their foreheads just so the rest of society are forearmed.

serbska · 07/08/2018 10:13

@SalemBlackCat she means DP surely?

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 10:13

Thanks Salem, it should have read DP or OH. I've nearly typed that a few times on this thread!

Well, I have absolutely no idea what I would have to do to prove that this post is real. The book and the insult mine and I didn't copy anything from the internet, although such protestations hardly count as evidence. Neither does my explanation that I'm fairly computer-illiterate. I could be a daft troll or whatever, but I can't prove that, either. I'm not attention-seeking and not sure what to make of that, as it is probably the first time in my life that I've been accused of such. I'm a background person and have found even posting update on here quite stressful. I'm definitely cured of posting anything on here again, although will probably make the odd comment as I have done in the past under a different name. I'm more than happy for Mn mods to confirm this.

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serbska · 07/08/2018 10:13

x post sorry

ScrambledSmegs · 07/08/2018 10:16

God, my eyes are a mess. I thought it was a comedian called Caleb for half of this thread Blush

PitchBlackNight · 07/08/2018 10:17

OP, If I were you id consider getting the thread deleted. There are some incredible good stalkers on Mumsnet and I would be worried that some bright spark will work out your twitter name and post it to show off their investigative skills.

MaggieAndHopey · 07/08/2018 10:17

This does sound awful out of context and I can understand how shaken the OP must have been - as she says herself she's not familiar with most of his work. He doesn't pretend to be a nice person, and his work is shot through with forensic descriptions of his own failings, and is pretty dark really. He doesn't do gentle whimsy. That said, this sounds like standard Sedaris to me. Someone's probably quoted it before, but here's a piece which features him being fantastically rude to fans book signing after a show - www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/books/david-sedaris-calypso.html - and they love it because it's what they've come to see.

But the other thing is, he pays proper attention to every single person when they get their turn. It's not a conveyor belt like most book signings, where the author barely looks up, but at the same time is expected to write meaningful dedications to complete strangers they'll have forgotten all about in five seconds. Personally I'd rather something shockingly rude in bright red capital letters than something thoughtless and anodyne.

Mammyloveswine · 07/08/2018 10:23

Well i don't think we need Poirot to tell is it's this David Sedaris... especially given he had form for this

OP you say there was no context he just wrote the word, but you also say he spoke of someone asking for a similar dedication and he told you he wrote "whore" and the woman was not happy. You laughed at this and he therefore wrote "whore" in your book, presumably thinking you understood the "humour" in him doing so.

So, there is an awful lot of context and, as other posters have shown, he has form for this.

Ridiculous to be so upset two weeks later. He didn't just walk up to you and shout "whore" in your face!

Bobbybear10 · 07/08/2018 10:24

I can’t understand why he wrote the word whore.

I imagine it’s that I’m uncultured/stupid and it has flown over my head.

I’ve never really ‘got’ intellectual comedy because I presume it’s not aimed at someone like me. BlushGrin

What I find a bit frustrating about this thread is because the whole story hasn’t been posted by OP we could be missing a really crucial piece on information that would explain the dedication, especially as the author is known to be close to the knuckle.

I don’t like the use of the word whore at anytime but this author/artist/radio host is obviously known for saying things like this so it can’t be a complete surprise he would at some point do/write something shocking.

I feel uncomfortable that this whole thread is tearing him apart when we don’t have the full story!

We don’t know the conversation leading up to this (I know op wrote some of it but I found it really hard to understand what was actually said) we don’t know what the name was (could this have been a funny play on words?) we don’t know what the show was like beforehand (was this playing to a theme of the evening?)

There are so many questions and we don’t have anywhere near the complete story but we are all condemning the man.

*disclamer! If the bloke put that word because he is just a twonk then I retract ever I’ve just written!

ShumpaLumpa · 07/08/2018 10:25

God, my eyes are a mess. I thought it was a comedian called Caleb for half of this thread blush

Should have gone to [popular high street optician], Scrambled!

RideOn · 07/08/2018 10:28

Don't take it personally OP

Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**
Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**
Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**
serbska · 07/08/2018 10:28

So David Sedaris wrote "whore" on your book @HedgehogPoo

Given he is a foul mouthed man who likes to be all like 'OUTRAGEOUS, I AM SO OUTRAGEOUS AND RUDE AND FUNNY' I can't think why you are surprised.

RideOn · 07/08/2018 10:29

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Cindie943811A · 07/08/2018 10:31

The man is deluded. Reading the interviews he appears to be convinced he is kind and considerate of his fans’ feelings, that he is extremely witty and his insults will be regarded as such by the people who have just put money into his pocket for the books he defaces.
He is a misogynist though he is likely unaware of it and prides himself of being a “feminist”. In the Internet info I’ve read this morning virtually all his insults consist of calling women whores and prostitures.

RideOn · 07/08/2018 10:31

Sorry duplicate!

Honflyr · 07/08/2018 10:33

Sadris' sister also writes rude things in books... "I'd call you a cunt but you lack the warmth and depth"

Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**
ShumpaLumpa · 07/08/2018 10:34

So he has inscribed 'whore' to a woman, to another woman he wrote 'your cancer has just begun'. He also inscribed 'you are of the black bitch' for a man.

So far so misogynistic. And the last one is racist, though he will say he meant a black dog.

I'm glad I've never heard of him. Will avoid avoid avoid.

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 07/08/2018 10:36

no, neither of us had read any of Celeb's books. We had heard him talk on the radio only and bought the tickets based upon that. I'm not about to read any of his books either, but DP probably will as he's into written humour and has sometimes sent in anecdotes / funny stories etc, to other writers for their use. He even got paid by the BBC once. He's really funny when in full flow and can hold a room of people to slavish attention, which is really odd when he's a very shy person under all other circumstances and was also nervous about meeting Celeb.

I think the issue here is that you fangirld in to a situation where you aren't actually a fan. He assumed you were a fan of that humour and would find him funny. I like DS but I think he is of his time and camp gay men shouting whore for effect doesn't really translate out of America and the 90s.

I don't believe he is a misogynist and I don't think his wife has anything to worry about Grin (some people really dont know who he is..)

It's been made clear through a million posts that he'd have written something offensive for just about every group and certainly about gay people (despite being gay).

rosamundhopelovesdogs123 · 07/08/2018 10:37

Wow. He sounds really hilarious - and people pay money to listen to this creep? I'd never even heard of him till now.

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 07/08/2018 10:38

I'm wondering how anyone thinks Frankie Boyle is a feminist though, this the man who made jokes about Katie Price being raped by her disabled son?

FlosCampi · 07/08/2018 10:38

Now I've seen the other examples I'm imagining a fuller context. Especially if it was the Owls book. I don't know the book, but imagine if it full of a jokey owl hating theme about how they kept him awake in the country or something. OP told Him "actually I fundraise for an owl sanctuary and my Twitter name is "owls are my life", then his writing whore makes more sense- obviously it's still super offensive- but he's calling you a traitor for money, as a joke. It is not acceptable language, but I think you have over reacted.

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