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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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Honeyroar · 07/08/2018 09:47

Id have asked him why he wrote such an awful thing, told him I was massively insulted and disappointed in him.

No point mentioning it to his manager, they're usually just arse licking yes men in my experience (Ive met a good few celebrities). Going to social media could result in you getting even more un deserved abuse from trolls or die hard fans that can't possibly believe he's not perfect. I don't know what the answer is. Perhaps a good thread for the Daily Wail to steal! (Never thought id say that!)

rosamundhopelovesdogs123 · 07/08/2018 09:47

I'm not sure why op is protecting this abuser's identity. This man is obviously cruel and misogynistic and has been able to perpetrate his abusive behaviour as no one has the guts to call him out on it.

extinctspecies · 07/08/2018 09:48

OP I have been thinking about your post in the shower.

I think perhaps you may be a tad oversensitive. If it is who it appears to be from many of the other posts on here, then he has a certain style.

Could it be that as your dedication request presented an image of a warm, soft, caring environmentalist he chose to use a word which would create the most opposite image to that - deliberately, as a joke.

Only unfortunately you did not find it funny.

I think that is his style & stock in trade.

This is not the feminism board, and while clearly you saw it as offensive, he thought it was funny. He wanted to surprise you. Unfortunately you did not get the joke.

D0do · 07/08/2018 09:50

bsbabas, if you are referring to David Sedaris, one of the best known things about him is he's gay and his partner is called Hugh. He talks/writes about him a lot.

Am I the only one who's sceptical about the whole story? The picture given shows one word, not even the whole of the title page.

D0do · 07/08/2018 09:51

Abuser? Oh good grief.

DontDrinkDontSmoke · 07/08/2018 09:51

My guess was frankie Boyle.

That’s interesting. I see Frankie as a bit of a feminist.

OP... no idea who you are talking about but it’s a pity you didn’t just leave the book with him Sad

extinctspecies · 07/08/2018 09:51

And there's nothing misogynistic about the word 'whore.'

Good Shakespearean word.

If he had written 'motherfucker' would you also have been offended? I expect so. Understandably. Or 'murderer' or .....

bluetrampolines · 07/08/2018 09:52

I've read most of this thread up until about 10 minutes ago so apologies if im out of the loop.

I hadn't heard of DS either. I've now watched 90 seconds of him on YouTube. He was 'Oh so outrageous' and not at all funny.

I cant now even think of a hero is actually like to meet.

Weirdly now I'm thinking of Ant and Dec and how their sleek professionalism used to impress me and how their rhythm would remind me of my dear friend and colleagues professionalism and work achievements. I guess when Ant fell by the wayside and hooked up with that pr woman that was pretty disappointing.

derxa · 07/08/2018 09:53

Given that he does this sort of thing all the time, OP I don't know why you're outraged.

aharddaysnight · 07/08/2018 09:54

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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**
Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**
HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 09:55

Ohh dear Arsenal, I didn't mean in any way to sound the way I've obviously come across, so apologies for that! I was just trying to explain.

I was slightly shaky after the event but kept in denial of it, pretending to OP that I'd had a really good time. Eventually, I came clean and explained that I wasn't happy with the comment and it had given me a really icy feeling inside. He understood completely and said that he wasn't happy about it either.

DOdo, sorry but there are no bits missing other than my Twitter name and Celeb's name. It's really important to me that I'm not outed (please) as my Twitter is an activist one and I will be in deep doodoo if I'm identified. Honestly, there really is no more than that. The story is exactly as I told it and there was nothing at all in our very short conversation that could possibly have lead to the use of that word. It really just wasn't necessary and not funny. I'm not stuffy or narrow-minded, can have a potty-mouth and like a bloody good laugh, as often as possible. That's about it, really! Gin

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DontDrinkDontSmoke · 07/08/2018 09:56

...whoops I see Frankie/feminist has been covered upthread Smile

piperhick · 07/08/2018 09:56

I don’t know this writer but I have just looked at some of his work and it is good, funny and engaging. I would be inclined to write to him and explain that you were upset and felt the inscription had ruined your book. Ask if he would be prepared to send you another book if you returned the one he wrote in. It seems his style might be to write these things but I doubt he would want someone to be unhappy.

DesignStatement · 07/08/2018 09:57

Never heard of DS either, but his name is well blackened on here now. If it's not him OP needs to say. That is the trouble with vague accusations. The whole thread is odd.

birdsdestiny · 07/08/2018 09:57

This is not the feminism board Grin. Yes women know your place, you mustnt call out misogyny on a general board.

D0do · 07/08/2018 09:58

Well, that image seems to establish that DS has done this at least once, if it's not photoshopped. Utterly shorn of all context, we have no idea why he did the one in the picture, nor if it's the one the OP bought, or if the OP copied it from the internet. There isn't enough evidence in this thread to come to any conclusion at all and I'm baffled about what the point of the thread was.

MorrisZapp · 07/08/2018 09:59

Sorry but what an irritating thread. Give the story in full or why bother? It just looks like attention seeking.

DreamingofSummer · 07/08/2018 10:01

I've heard DS on Radio 4 and his voice makes my skin crawl. I now switch channels immediately he comes on.

Hedgehog's post has confirmed my impression that he's a total arse.

SalemBlackCat · 07/08/2018 10:02

@extinctspecies I can't imagine any situation where any woman would find be called a whore, 'humour'.

NorbertTheDragon · 07/08/2018 10:02

I'm disappointed. I was expecting a big celebrity name and I've never heard of David Sedaris. Although I've found out he does live near me. I bet he's gutted that I don't have a clue who he is.

D0do · 07/08/2018 10:03

OK, this is the source of that image above. deskgram.org/p/1821834744099442005_1287192382

The woman who posted is says 'So very happy with my #davidsedarissignedbook He added #Whore when I said I'd been hoping for something rude. Delighted.'

nervousnails · 07/08/2018 10:03

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StepBackNow · 07/08/2018 10:04

Rich Hall is adorable. A proper southern gent. Met him after a show in the bar and he was a delight.

SalemBlackCat · 07/08/2018 10:04

@HedgehogPoo there is one thing I cannot understand. In your OP, you refer to yourself in the third person - "OP and I really liked Celeb" and in your last post - "pretending to OP that I'd had a really good time". Is someone else writing your post/s or is it third person referral?

SalemBlackCat · 07/08/2018 10:09

Blush DOH!! I just realised you probably mean DP. Sorry if so.

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