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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 08:56

Iljkk it was just a fairly meaningless phrase that I used as an illustration and an explanation, but not literal.

I don't actually hero-worship anyone like that, although I do have a few people who I have a staggeringly high level of regard for and many of these are activists and feminists who are able to stand up and be counted. There are a lot heroes on Mumsnet! I would probably be struck silent in their company too, which would annoy the hell out of me for being so utterly ridiculous, but that's what lacking in confidence does for you. I've long stopped giving myself a hard time about it and trying to be tougher, when clearly I'm not.

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ArsenalsPlayingAtHome · 07/08/2018 08:57

OP, pleeeease name him.

Am I being pathetically naive to think you can name him, & then only communicate with the DM through twitter/mn & then they won't be able to identify you/name you/print a photo of you in any way?

Think of it as a public service announcement - arming any future potential ticket/book purchasers the knowledge, so that they are able to make an informed choice about whether to spend their well earned cash on this horrible man in the future.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 08:57

Grin Mozzie I really appreciate your support! Thank you Flowers

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MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 09:06

Ah hedgehog lovely, I cannae stop googling sits on hands
I think it's always depressing when someone we admire does something we despise. I am disappointed, same as when Aziz Ansari's idea of romance did not fit with his book on the subject.
I spend most of my time discussing with DD how NAMALT but QALOMALT (Quite a lot of....)

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 09:07

Arsenal, believe it or not, I'm not trying to discourage anyone from attending Celeb's shows. It could well be the case that I'm more naive than some people and was probably a lot less well-informed than many others would be about seeing him live. It's probably not my place to influence anyone either, which would be unfair although I do get the bit about forewarning potential ticket-buyers about what they could expect. It would certainly have helped me and I would have remained n blissful ignorance about Celeb's darker side and (I believe) misogynistic attitude. Not that I'm wanting to defend that in any way!

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KathfromSalesandMarketing · 07/08/2018 09:08

OP - you are seriously getting on my wick now. Just confirm it's David Sedaris and move on.

Dowdydoes · 07/08/2018 09:13

He is someone who self exposes his own wankery all the time. He is risqué deliberately and more so in print then on radio 4. He met my sister (who is obviously a little vulnerable) twice and was so thoughtfully lovely both times I think there is a good chance he just missed the mark this time.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 09:15

kath do you work for the Fail? [narrows eyes]

WHAT91 · 07/08/2018 09:22

HedhehogPoo I'm almost certain my friend was at this very event and actually left the queue after witnessing this! She was at the rch.

derxa · 07/08/2018 09:32

Jesus wept! Now we have people saying Frankie fucking Boyle is a feminist? What planet am I on tonight? Exactly. It's a bad idea to ascribe qualities to people. We don't really know what goes on in others' heads.

ArsenalsPlayingAtHome · 07/08/2018 09:34

Hedgehog I didn't think you were trying to influence anyone re attending his shows, sorry if my post came across like that.

I don't get why any decent well rounded person would consciously buy into that type of humor, but many do - those people are already a lost cause I think.

There's no influencing people who already know what he's like, but then still go ahead & purchase ticekts/books regardless, even if that had been anyone's intention.

The PP who said upthread that she loves this celeb no matter what, left me baffled! Hmm.

Absolutely - it was the unsuspecting potential purchaser I was thinking of. Personally, I'd never heard of him & I listen to R4 a lot, so don't know how I've missed him. Or maybe I've heard him, laughed, but his name hasn't registered with me.

Anyway, yes it was people who have heard his censored stuff, & then unwittingly buy tickets not realising what his true self is like I was thinking of.

I do think that if the media got hold of this, R4 would probably drop him like a ton weight, which might not be a bad thing.

I don't my licence fee being spent on lining the pockets of someone like him.

I'm waffling, and none of my ramblings are contributing anything to this post, but just wanted to say that I didn't think that was your intention, OP. Smile

Do it for humanity, OP! But no pressure Grin

And I'm really sorry for how he made you feel - it's abhorent. I'd have probably done the same thing: awkwardly smiled & laughed because I'd have been caught completely off guard & my brain wouldn't have got my mouth in gear in time, or thought of the right words to say until I'd turned around, stopped shaking & got myself together.

DesignStatement · 07/08/2018 09:35

One celeb did this. Only one needs naming. Not sure what the point of mentioning it is otherwise. (Unless it's just to say some celebs do bad things to their fans but we will keep it a secret who the bad ones are)

ArsenalsPlayingAtHome · 07/08/2018 09:35

Blush Sorry Hedgehog didn't realise my post was so long. Will read through & edit next time. Blush Grin

aharddaysnight · 07/08/2018 09:36

It is David Sedaris. I've had a look online and found another dedication that says 'whore' and ones that say things like 'cripple' in a similar way.

bsbabas · 07/08/2018 09:37

Was he trying to be funny ? What an idiot !

D0do · 07/08/2018 09:37

If it is DS (and this is a big if, given how coy the OP is being, even though this is an anonymous forum) R4 will not drop him. He brings in large audiences for them, deservedly so, as he is a brilliant writer and performer. I can't help feeling if we had the whole story here it might come across a bit differently. There are so many pieces missing at present it's like a charity shop jigsaw.

AnonymousIndividual · 07/08/2018 09:38

Regardless of who this person is, this is just another representation of 'art pretensionism'.

Us mere mortals just don't get it. Load of bollocks. It's not funny and it's not clever. Using comedy to justify misogyny is nasty.

ASliceOfArcticRoll · 07/08/2018 09:38

Op (if you don't have a mad busy life) take it up with his management and get a bloody refund on the book.

Better than the feeling you had in the queue.

extinctspecies · 07/08/2018 09:42

Was it Nicholas Parsons?

ASliceOfArcticRoll · 07/08/2018 09:42

And op thanks for the heads up. Reading about one celeb mentioned on this thread has probably saved me cash and an uncomfortable evening.

bsbabas · 07/08/2018 09:43

Oh god his poor wife! Imagine being married to someone that nasty!

aharddaysnight · 07/08/2018 09:45

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